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Afghan province counting on Marines

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-afghan6feb06,1,6346995.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

A similar report aired on the CBC yesterday...
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/asia/la-fg-afghan6feb06,1,5680093.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true
Canadians need help fighting the resurgent Taliban in Kandahar. A top provincial official says only Americans can do the job.
By Bruce Wallace, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
February 6, 2008
KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN -- As the most powerful Afghan official in the troubled southern province of Kandahar, Ahmed Wali Karzai says he knows just how to tame the shadowy Taliban campaign of suicide bombs and assassinations that have raised the specter of a country sliding toward anarchy.

He wants more American soldiers on the ground.

"The Canadians are fine, but Americans are Americans -- the mentality is different," said Karzai, chairman of the provincial council in Kandahar where the Canadian-led military mission has struggled to contain the regrouped Taliban.

Amid the recent deluge of discouraging reports citing declining security in swaths of southern Afghanistan, Karzai's is a rare voice of optimism, claiming that U.S. special forces already have begun to turn the tide in Kandahar with targeted strikes against individual commanders of the fundamentalist group, which was ousted from power six years ago.

"These operations are extremely quiet. They cause no civilian casualties and no damage to the villages," said Karzai, whose power derives in part from being the younger brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"The Americans are very professional," he said. "They go in; they get out. It's just like you see in the movies."

Karzai is about to get his wish for a greater American presence. About 3,200 U.S. Marines are set to deploy to Afghanistan in coming weeks, most of them ticketed for a seven-month stay in southern Afghanistan, the Taliban's traditional heartland and home of its revived insurgency.

Beleaguered Canadians in Kandahar can't wait for the Americans to arrive either. They acknowledge that their 2,500 troops have not been enough to create much of a footprint across the province. And they say they are not able to undertake regular patrols of the dangerous back roads in the fertile farming region outside the city of Kandahar, with the result that the Taliban now operates with impunity in some villages not far from the provincial capital.

The implications of a Taliban comeback are being felt far beyond Kandahar, placing a major stress on the 41,000-strong international alliance, led by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, that was supposed to secure and rebuild all of Afghanistan. The jump in insurgent violence over the last two years has led to recriminations within NATO, with the U.S. military leaders questioning whether their partners have the stomach for the fight against the Taliban, and the Canadians, British and Dutch complaining that risks are not being evenly shared across the alliance.

The Canadian government recently warned that it would end its mission in Kandahar by early 2009 unless NATO sends an additional 1,000 soldiers into the fray. The British are also appealing for help containing an equally violent insurgency in neighboring Helmand province.

And the violence has opened up wide disagreements over strategy, mostly over how much force to direct against the Taliban.

In Kandahar, the Canadians are particularly bitter over U.S. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates' widely quoted comments last month that some of America's allies "don't know how to do counterinsurgency operations."

His unusually pointed criticism was part of a wider whispering campaign by American officials that accuses Canadian and European forces of being locked in a peacekeeping mind-set, of playing fanciful diplomatic games trying to woo less extreme elements of the Taliban away from the hard core, and of not pushing Afghan soldiers into the forefront of counterinsurgency missions.

"I frankly don't know where Gates gets that," said Brig. Gen. Guy Laroche, who commands the Canadian contingent in Kandahar. Laroche contends that training the Afghan army and police to take over the sharp end of the fighting is actually now the centerpiece of the Canadian approach in Kandahar.

And suggestions that the Canadians might be trying to avoid casualties enrages soldiers who have been taking a pounding from roadside bombs. With 78 soldiers and one diplomat killed since 2002, Canada has the highest casualty percentage among all nations in the NATO forces, and Canadian officers say attacks against troops in Kandahar rose by 50% last year from 2006.

Laroche said there is no friction between Canadian and American troops on the ground. Yet Canadian soldiers and diplomats also say they do not share what some see as an American obsession with tracking down the Taliban.

"We're not hunting Taliban," Laroche said. "We're not going to win by killing every Taliban. We're going to win by getting the Afghan population to say 'enough' to the Taliban."

Canadian troops did initially find themselves engaged in ferocious fighting with the Taliban when they took over command of the NATO forces in the province in 2006. But the Taliban has mostly avoided direct engagements since then, and Laroche says he is happiest avoiding the kinds of clashes that can kill civilians.

Instead, the Canadians say their counterinsurgency strategy is based on securing areas where productive reconstruction and development can occur: supervising the recent completion of a bridge across the Arghandab River north of the city of Kandahar using well-paid local labor, and a road-paving project that will employ 400 Afghans.

Yet the Canadians say their attempt to build trust among the people of Kandahar is undermined by confusion surrounding the future of the mission.

"The Afghans have to make a decision about where to put their loyalties," said one Canadian officer who deals with the people in Kandahar on a regular basis. "They say, 'You're here during the day, a couple of times a week, but the Taliban are here all the time.' I tell them not to worry, that we're staying, that the rest is just politics.

"But they worry that they are going to be stuck with the Taliban."

bruce.wallace@latimes.com
 
Of course the US press would publish this kind of article....
the world revolves ou US involvment (everywhere & anywhere) Doesn't it?
 
The same piece aired on the national last night. Seems like some people in the US are saying that we're not being agggresive enough in our fight with the taliban and that we should adopt a more "in your face" attitude like the US marines do.

Interesting to see what will happen once the marines arrive in Kandahar.
 
Amid the recent deluge of discouraging reports citing declining security in swaths of southern Afghanistan, Karzai's is a rare voice of optimism, claiming that U.S. special forces already have begun to turn the tide in Kandahar with targeted strikes against individual commanders of the fundamentalist group, which was ousted from power six years ago.

"These operations are extremely quiet. They cause no civilian casualties and no damage to the villages," said Karzai, whose power derives in part from being the younger brother of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"The Americans are very professional," he said. "They go in; they get out. It's just like you see in the movies."

One wonders if the esteemed Mr Karzai realizes that not all SOF operations are American.  A variety of nations, including Canada, have SOF elements operating in S. Afghanistan, where they are  very active.  Crediting the US exclusively is more than a little misleading.  Of course, I wouldn't expect an American news outlet to reflect that nuance.

 
Another way of looking at things:

Afstan: US counterinsurgency thinking
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/02/afstan-us-counterinsurgency-thinking.html

William Arkin of the Washington Post outlines some current thinking: more troops may not be the answer (over the longer term):
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2008/02/pause_in_iraq_doesnt_harm_afgh_1.html?nav=rss_blog

Lurking behind the many expressions of disappointment over Defense Secretary Robert Gates's decision to pause troop withdrawals from Iraq is not just politics and concern for the troops but also Afghanistan. For months, Iraq war opponents have been positing the second-class war as more central to the fight against terrorism, and there have been many voices in favor of the magic of a "surge" there to turn things around...

The Iraq versus Afghanistan contest seems all the more fitting given Gates' criticism of NATO allies for not doing more. Last week he called the alliance increasingly "two-tiered" and questioned why some were "ready to fight and die in order to protect people's security and others ... are not."..

But here is the dirty little secret about the war in Afghanistan: the best minds in the Pentagon looking at the problem don't think we need more troops there.

If indeed the war against terrorism is "the long war" that many in the military assert it is, than there is growing recognition that the best way to fight that war is through an "indirect approach."

That's the view of Michael Vickers, assistant secretary of defense for special operations and the senior war on terrorism policy-maker in the Pentagon. Speaking to reporters last week, Vickers said that he didn't "think the answer to Afghanistan is taking forces from Iraq and putting them in Afghanistan." Success in Afghanistan, he said, was only going to come by working "by, with and through" host-nation forces -- rather than "surges" of U.S. troops.

"Insurgencies have to be won by local capacity," Vickers said. He not only thinks that this is the best way to achieve victory in a counterinsurgency, but the only way to garner long-term domestic political support for the mission. Moreover, Vickers says, the Afghans themselves want to win the war themselves.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway agrees with Vickers that the war against terrorism can only be won "from within." In a presentation before a defense industry conference this week, Conway showcased the much more sophisticated thinking on fighting terrorism -- indirect, soft power, local competence -- that has emerged in the past two years: "It's not a war that we can win," he said. "It is a war that moderates in the region must win over time for us to eventually be successful. It has to be handled from within."

Even though things are going in the opposite direction in Afghanistan in comparison with the relative military success in Iraq, Conway questioned whether another surge was as much a sure thing to turn the tide. First, he said, Marines who are more suited to the expeditionary fight in Afghanistan, and more suited to the terrain, are already increasing their presence in the country. Second, he credited the NATO coalition with making a true difference and also with making the fight better there. Finally, Conway observed that the Taliban were changing their tactic this winter, not going across the Pakistani border to regroup until spring. He didn't say it, but clearly the implication is that Pakistan has had some success in denying the Taliban sanctuary on their soil, a fact that should significantly shift the equation of fighting on the ground.

In the end, Conway echoed Vickers in saying that it was up to the Afghan National Army and Kabul to win the fight. And in keeping with the long war theme, he said, surge or not, he didn't see any short-term solution. Afghanistan is "a fight the nation will continue to see boil for some time," he said.

Sounds rather like the strategy the CF have been following for a while.
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/01/afstan-2008-more-mentoring-less-combat.html
More here.
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/11/maybe-fewer-firefights-in-our-afghan.html
I wish the government itself (i.e. politicians, ministers) would highlight these developments in some detail.

Mark
Ottawa
 
retiredgrunt45 said:
The same piece aired on the national last night. Seems like some people in the US are saying that we're not being agggresive enough in our fight with the taliban and that we should adopt a more "in your face" attitude like the US marines do.

Interesting to see what will happen once the marines arrive in Kandahar.

Maybe its because we don't drive down the streets shooting everything that moves during/after a contact  ::)
 
Bingo!

The friendly neighborhood TB would prolly feel a lot happier having to deal with Marines.... I'm sure  :)
 
I've been watching that "Rome" series on the history channel.

I noticed that the Romans seem to make good use of both the sword and the shield.  They seem to work well in combination.
 
Yes and part of the Roman approach with captured territories was construction of community facilities as well as Romanising the upper classes. Not suggesting to US the controlling bodies in Afghanistan though.
 
tdr
Don't know if they'd permit the Burn / Rape / Pillage thing in this day and age
 
MarkOttawa said:
Another way of looking at things:

Afstan: US counterinsurgency thinking
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/02/afstan-us-counterinsurgency-thinking.html

Sounds rather like the strategy the CF have been following for a while.
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/01/afstan-2008-more-mentoring-less-combat.html
More here.
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/11/maybe-fewer-firefights-in-our-afghan.html
I wish the government itself (i.e. politicians, ministers) would highlight these developments in some detail.

Mark
Ottawa

Much of this “war from within” is embedded in must counterinsurgency doctrine. That is train the home forces to do the work so the “outsiders” is not seen as being an invader. From a US point this is in their FM 3-24 Counterinsurgency manual anyway.
 
geo:
True its not permitted . BUT..... (fill in the dots and who did it)
 
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