All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

[George Wallace]

YUP!

Facebook. 

Brilliant people who failed to enter the Darwin Awards post things like this.

 

[57Chevy]

Even better question, why are they spending $11 Million in total wages/Benefits across all programs, $5.5 Million in the Education Coloumn alone, PLUS another $4.8 Million in welfare payments.  And unless I am reading this wrong, according to schedule M, at the end of 2011 there was $57 Million sitting in a Capital Fund, and strangely enough, very little spent on infrastructure.

Think guns, drugs, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, and very expensive cars and trucks to get to the Casinos and Bingos.

there are a lot of issues that we need to discuss," Spence said.

like guns, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, tobacco addiction, gambling problems, and all the crap that goes with it.


Chief-ettes      :facepalm:

 

[dapaterson]

Jeffrey Simpson of the good grey Globe pins it down pretty well in his column today:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/too-many-first-nations-people-live-in-a-dream-palace/article6929035/

"To imagine that isolated communities of a thousand or so people can be vibrant and self-sustaining, capable of discharging the panoply of responsibilities of “sovereignty,” is to live within the dream palace of memory."

 

[Rifleman62]

Is he taking about Quebec?

Isolated community in North America, or isolated Indian communities.

 

[DBA]

Idle no more reminds me of a cranky child at dinnertime who declines all offered food and complains they aren't being fed while asking to eat candy instead. They want 'something done' or 'changes' then proceed to shutdown any and all changes that aren't just wheelbarrows of cash then complain that nothing is being done or things never change.

While real nations negotiate trade deals and cooperate to enhance economic development too many native nations are unwilling to do either.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

:goodpost:
DBA....I stole that for my FB page.

 

[Strike]

I noticed on CTV News last night they referred to Chief Spence's actions as a "liquid diet."

 

[Sythen]

DBA....I stole that for my FB page.

Ditto!

 

[OldSolduer]

Winnipeg Free Press reported this morning that the INM  movement had blocked a rail line and someone was tampering with the rail signals, which is illegal. VIA said they would investigate and prosecute those responsible.

In my mind tampering with rail signals thus endangering lives is more than mischief.

It's terrorism .

 

[PuckChaser]

In my mind tampering with rail signals thus endangering lives is more than mischief.

It's terrorism .

Ding! We have a winner. We'll never see the charges though. No one with enough balls to weather the left-wing media firestorm.

 

[senorito]

alias Lazlo, busconductor, overthefence :

 

[Rethink]

The law enforcement agencies tend to stand back and do nothing because their leaders don't want to make tough decisions because confrontation will bring out the media and, if anyone gets hurt (which there's always the potentila for that to happen), the fingerpointing, blame-laying and public inquiries will go on forever.  There's also a lot of political pressure from the province and whatever municipalities are involved, to do nothing because no one is more squeamish about making tough decisions than politicians.  So the strategy tends to default to hanging back and hoping the thing fizzles out.  There's actually a good chance that it will.  I'd give these protests another two weeks maybe.  By then the media will be tired of covering small groups of people hanging around burning trash barrels in below zero weather.  The politicians will have paid lip service and promised to study the mattter and everyone will go home.  Alternatively, if the public starts to get fed up with the disruptions to their daily lives, you'll start to see a more aggressive approach by police to push the protesters to the sidelines.  At that point they'll get bored and go home.    It's pretty predictable with these kinds of things. 

 

[Jarnhamar]

It's terrorism .

I agree but short of flying a jet into the CN tower I can't see the Canadian government labeling any Canadian citizens terrorists regardless what they do.

 

[my72jeep]

I agree but short of flying a jet into the CN tower I can't see the Canadian government labeling any Canadian citizens terrorists regardless what they do.

True Look what they did with the last one caught in the act, they welcomed him home and let him go.

 

[PuckChaser]

I agree but short of flying a jet into the CN tower I can't see the Canadian government labeling any Canadian citizens terrorists regardless what they do.

A believe a few of the "Toronto 18" were Canadian citizens and were charged with terrorism-related offenses.

 

[Baloo]

Trust me, in no way shape or form, am I coming to the defence of 'Idle No More,' or any  form of Native protest in this issue.

That being said, I think some people are being slightly hyperbolic when they label anything that has taken place so far as 'terrorism.' No-one, from the government to the Canadian public, is being harmed, threatened or otherwise put in any sort of conceivable danger, at this point. I say at this point, because things can always change. No, people are being inconvenienced. Shutting down a passenger railway, highway, or border crossing for several hours cannot, nor should it be, considered 'terrorism.' Really, every protest is in some form an attempt to coerce a group of people into action.

Let's not start comparing anything that has happened so far with the 'Toronto 18' or incidents of ecology-related arson.

Now, whether or not they should be allowed to do so, without consequence, is another matter entirely.

 

[my72jeep]

Trust me, in no way shape or form, am I coming to the defence of 'Idle No More,' or any  form of Native protest in this issue.

That being said, I think some people are being slightly hyperbolic when they label anything that has taken place so far as 'terrorism.' No-one, from the government to the Canadian public, is being harmed, threatened or otherwise put in any sort of conceivable danger, at this point. I say at this point, because things can always change. No, people are being inconvenienced. Shutting down a passenger railway, highway, or border crossing for several hours cannot, nor should it be, considered 'terrorism.' Really, every protest is in some form an attempt to coerce a group of people into action.

Let's not start comparing anything that has happened so far with the 'Toronto 18' or incidents of ecology-related arson.

Now, whether or not they should be allowed to do so, without consequence, is another matter entirely.

Winnipeg Free Press reported this morning that the INM  movement had blocked a rail line and someone was tampering with the rail signals, which is illegal. VIA said they would investigate and prosecute those responsible.

Are you saying Fucking with the Signals on a rail line so fright train Y has no idea passenger train X is Stopped 1 mile ahead due to protesters on the line is not an act of Domestic terrorism?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trust me, in no way shape or form, am I coming to the defence of 'Idle No More,' or any  form of Native protest in this issue.

That being said, I think some people are being slightly hyperbolic when they label anything that has taken place so far as 'terrorism.' No-one, from the government to the Canadian public, is being harmed, threatened or otherwise put in any sort of conceivable danger, at this point. I say at this point, because things can always change. No, people are being inconvenienced. Shutting down a passenger railway, highway, or border crossing for several hours cannot, nor should it be, considered 'terrorism.' Really, every protest is in some form an attempt to coerce a group of people into action.

Let's not start comparing anything that has happened so far with the 'Toronto 18' or incidents of ecology-related arson.

Now, whether or not they should be allowed to do so, without consequence, is another matter entirely.

So, I guess that the alleged disruption of train signals doesn't put anyone's life at risk in your books?

 

[PuckChaser]

Let's not start comparing anything that has happened so far with the 'Toronto 18' or incidents of ecology-related arson.

Tampering with train signals has no other effect than to try to cause massive bodily harm be it on train passengers or vehicles at a train crossing, and these INM pers are tampering with the signals to push a political goal. Is that not the very essence of the terrorism laws in Canada?

 

[Kat Stevens]

See how that song changes when a few dozen cars full of caustic soda overturn into a wetland.