All Things First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)
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The Green in Fredericton is now occupied. They have constructed a traditional long house with traditional blue poly tarp. The whole place is already a pit of thrown away fast food wraps and the odd empty booze bottle. All this protected by the FPD. They are holding shale gas environmental review and want white folks to come and express their opinion. Can you imagine walking in there and agreeing with the gas company.
Just waiting now for the moose soup sucking tub a lard to lead them to the promise land. An ADT sale guy I know facebooked that he has been busy all weekend uping customer coverage in the mansions around the Green.
Just waiting now for the moose soup sucking tub a lard to lead them to the promise land. An ADT sale guy I know facebooked that he has been busy all weekend uping customer coverage in the mansions around the Green.
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They really are starting to wear out their welcome and try people's patience. Bad things may start to happen. It can't go on forever. People will finally have had enough and react in less than a positive manner.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-s-nisga-a-becomes-only-first-nation-to-privatize-land-1.2355794
To me, this measure is actually a positive one. I say give them all the same degree of individual ownership and responsibility that they have when they choose to move off-reserve (as most have done, anyway...). A sense of ownership and the ability to profit (and the accompnying risk of loss) from the individual posession of land would, IMHO, go far to address some of the hapless dependency and despondency of so many FN bands.
I realize that the treaty system in BC is different than in the rest of Canada, but the principle should still apply.
I disregard the fear of "assimilation": simply because you adapt to a changing world does not mean you abandon your culture. Failure to adapt is the mark of a dying culture.
To me, this measure is actually a positive one. I say give them all the same degree of individual ownership and responsibility that they have when they choose to move off-reserve (as most have done, anyway...). A sense of ownership and the ability to profit (and the accompnying risk of loss) from the individual posession of land would, IMHO, go far to address some of the hapless dependency and despondency of so many FN bands.
I realize that the treaty system in BC is different than in the rest of Canada, but the principle should still apply.
I disregard the fear of "assimilation": simply because you adapt to a changing world does not mean you abandon your culture. Failure to adapt is the mark of a dying culture.
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pbi said:
I agree. Then those that do can pay property taxes and a mortgage like the rest of us too.
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pbi said:
Until First Nations, band councils, and reserves are placed under a set of rules and regs like the Municipal Act ( let's be honest here, most reserves are in fact Municipalities), giving "ownership" will not account to much, unless they are held to account for its management.
Completely meaningless. You buy a piece of land and some faction of the band does not like what you do with it or does not get the necessary graff, they will occupy it and you will never see, feel, touch or smell anything you own on that land ever again. There is no rule of law beyond the rule of the most popular loud-mouth and there is no police force in Canada that will help you.
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Lightguns said:
I don't think there's going to be a line up of non-aboriginal people buying up all the land, but what its going to allow is some autonomy of the people living on the reserve. They'll be able to own land, build equity, and cut the dependance on social programs and the tribal council for handouts.
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You can't help people that don't want help or won't help themselves.
However, don't equate 'don't want help' with 'don't send me more money'.
However, don't equate 'don't want help' with 'don't send me more money'.
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PuckChaser said:
Sadly, it won't.
No one is going to guarantee a mortgage on Native land without checks and balances in place. I doubt CMHC would touch it with a 10' pole, unless they were compelled under an act of parliament to do so.
Let's just look at the reserves as a total different geography, shall we? Akin to a Banana Republic, where the governance and accountability ebbs and flows with the whim of those in control. Are you, as a lender, going to issue a loan or mortgage on any land within that boundary?
The last time I checked, the people living on the reserve have tons of autonomy.....If you genuinely believe that they will not continue to rely on social programs, and hand outs, just because the title of the land can be registered......well, I'll just say you're an extreme optimist, and leave it at that.
The whole concept of 'reserves' is part of the problem. We have two tiers of Canadian citizenship- those registered under the Indian Act, and everyone else. To me its unconscionable.
Scrap the indian act and the reserve system. Will there be an uproar? Absolutely. Will there be a big vacuum needing filling? Yup. But at least whatever gets built in its place to deal with out first nations will be predicated first and foremost on them being treated as equal citizens and being provided with equal services. It's easy to talk about how first nations need to build capacity and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Much harder when funding for things like education falls short of what other students receive through the provinces.
Scrap the indian act and the reserve system. Will there be an uproar? Absolutely. Will there be a big vacuum needing filling? Yup. But at least whatever gets built in its place to deal with out first nations will be predicated first and foremost on them being treated as equal citizens and being provided with equal services. It's easy to talk about how first nations need to build capacity and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Much harder when funding for things like education falls short of what other students receive through the provinces.
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GAP said:
How long it remains at that standard is questionable.
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GAP said:
I stand corrected.
However if you read the language, the only way CMHC will issue loan on reserve lands is if it is in fact guaranteed by the First Nation, and backed by a fund set up for just that purpose.
Seems to me by reading the language set out, that they are not actually guaranteeing any property financing if it's on reserve lands, they're simply acting as a facilitator in the financing of same, as long as someone else is on the hook.
https://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/hoficlincl/moloin/rean/upload/LoanInsuranceOn-Reserve.pdf
I also find it amusing that the first part of the CMHC site referring to First nations is all about home maintenance, and mould remediation.....
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GAP said:Oh, it's, mould remediation, is well taken care of....if it's mouldy, they just burn the house down...mould remediated.....
Not quite what the book says...but then again...I guess they have more experience at it....
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Someone check the temperature in hell it may have dropped several degrees.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/04/20140408-100239.html
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/04/20140408-100239.html
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No one should be shocked by this article at all.Hatchet Man said:
