I was just thinking of the logistics of putting several hundred troops on a ship and having them spend, potentially, a couple of weeks getting to anywhere. Would it be reasonable to fly most of them to an allied nation in the region, then mate them with the ship when it reaches the area? By the time the ship actually reaches the coast of the area in question it'd be fully good to go. From the perspective of offering a credible presence I think the issue is less about how the force got there there than that it has arrived. I think this is along the lines of what the USMC does with the pre-positioned fleet, although we couldn't/wouldn't have our ships stationed overseas
Alternative idea for the JSS etc.
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Chances are what is loaded on to the JSS will be offloaded when forces can sieze and maintain control of a port facility or in an allied country. Remember chances are the JSS will also be carrying fuel and ammunition for the escorting warships so you would not want to endanger it anymore then you would have to.
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Just to be clear: as IHS points out above the JSS and the BHS are not the same thing AFAIK.
The JSS will accompany the Navy and may carry some army vehicles and may carry some army troops. The BHS will accompany the army and will carry vehicles and troops. Also, if the budget follows the promises, there will be 3x JSS and 2x BHS.
The JSS will accompany the Navy and may carry some army vehicles and may carry some army troops. The BHS will accompany the army and will carry vehicles and troops. Also, if the budget follows the promises, there will be 3x JSS and 2x BHS.
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Kirkhill said:
I'm just ecstatic they're actually using BHS as a formal acronym for "Big Honkin' Ship". That cracks me up....
M. ;D
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Cdn Blackshirt said:
Well you know we're just quoting the CDS lol.
The thing is we don't know what we are buying or making yet so that's as good an acronym as any.
Will it be an LPD? or something else...San Antonio is an LPD but others have other designators.
Harper's throne speech seemed to support us so that's good
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I'll breathe some new life into this. It seems the RN Fleet Auxillary are also considering versions of the JSS concept as well. The ship will replace bulk cargo, re-fueling etc. They are calling it MARS. [Military Afloat Reach and Sustainability] Note however that MARS is not "a uniform class of ships" but is actually several different ships of varying configuration.
More Information is here: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FactSheets/MilitaryAfloatReachSustainabilitymars.htm
and here: http://navy-matters.beedall.com/mars.htm
Requirement
The ‘force projection’ role of the Royal Navy requires three key tasks to be fulfilled by MARS:
Fighting ships to be supplied with bulk consumables (BC) – fuel, food, ammunition, stores, water, and air stores to embarked forces.
Joint sea-based logistics (JSBL) support and sustainment to be provided to land forces from the sea to locations potentially well inland from the beachhead and then sustain their operations.
Forward Aviation Support (FAS) – the provision of support to maritime rotary wing operations. The ships would be able to act as a forward maintenance facility for helicopters.
The forward aviation requirement was re-confirmed in late 2004 after the consideration of other options.
Other MARS roles include supporting:
A CVF centred carrier task group;
An amphibious task group;
Dispersed ships;
A medium sized brigade ashore;
Special forces; and
Joint forces aviation.
It's expected that the MARS ships will need to be able to operate in areas under threat, and some or all will be armed and therefore classed as ‘grey’ or ‘warlike’. Individual MARS ships may operate alone in, for example they could be the assigned unit to Atlantic Patrol Task (North) in the Caribbean, undertaking drug interdiction roles and disaster relief.
MARS will not consist of one uniform of class of ship, but a family of ships perhaps displacing as much as 40,000 tonnes deadweight.
More Information is here: http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FactSheets/MilitaryAfloatReachSustainabilitymars.htm
and here: http://navy-matters.beedall.com/mars.htm
Requirement
The ‘force projection’ role of the Royal Navy requires three key tasks to be fulfilled by MARS:
Fighting ships to be supplied with bulk consumables (BC) – fuel, food, ammunition, stores, water, and air stores to embarked forces.
Joint sea-based logistics (JSBL) support and sustainment to be provided to land forces from the sea to locations potentially well inland from the beachhead and then sustain their operations.
Forward Aviation Support (FAS) – the provision of support to maritime rotary wing operations. The ships would be able to act as a forward maintenance facility for helicopters.
The forward aviation requirement was re-confirmed in late 2004 after the consideration of other options.
Other MARS roles include supporting:
A CVF centred carrier task group;
An amphibious task group;
Dispersed ships;
A medium sized brigade ashore;
Special forces; and
Joint forces aviation.
It's expected that the MARS ships will need to be able to operate in areas under threat, and some or all will be armed and therefore classed as ‘grey’ or ‘warlike’. Individual MARS ships may operate alone in, for example they could be the assigned unit to Atlantic Patrol Task (North) in the Caribbean, undertaking drug interdiction roles and disaster relief.
MARS will not consist of one uniform of class of ship, but a family of ships perhaps displacing as much as 40,000 tonnes deadweight.
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