American Student Arrested in Pakistan

[geo]

Hey... he's in Pakistan & we should leave it to the Pakistanis to figure this one out.
Haven,t heard that this fella asked to see his US representative

 

[Niteshade]

t6:  would we want to be as low as they are or do we want to show we're smarter and actually defend and respect our principles ?

Answering a question with another question doesn't resolve the initial one put to you.

I say wake up and smell the coffee. Obtuse is a word that comes to mind.

Looks like a Fish, smells like a fish, tastes like a fish, feels like a fish. - must be cow (by your theory) because detailed genetic research has yet been done.

Nites

 

[SupersonicMax]

Niteshade:  I don't say he isn't a fish or that he's a cow, I just say we don't know.  We are fighting for freedom and all the values we live with (one being someone is innocent until proven guilty) and yet, we allow ourselve to accuse someone without any real proof of his real status.  All I'm saying is don't accuse until you have proof.  You may be suspicious but do not say he IS a wannabe jihadist.  It could, by some people, be seen as racism.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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[J.J]

Recceguy,
Is that a self portrait?  Take that with your webcam? ;D

 

[Niteshade]

Niteshade:  I don't say he isn't a fish or that he's a cow, I just say we don't know.  We are fighting for freedom and all the values we live with (one being someone is innocent until proven guilty) and yet, we allow ourselve to accuse someone without any real proof of his real status.  All I'm saying is don't accuse until you have proof.  You may be suspicious but do not say he IS a wannabe jihadist.  It could, by some people, be seen as racism.

Oh yes. Play that racism card. That will score big big points. I think you're a racist and you hate white people. (That statement has as much weight as your entire train of thought).

Nites

PS oh yeah, he was an innocent American student on an exchange program to Pakistan and he wanted to go pick flowers in the mountains occupied by insurgents. My initial summation is correct. You are obtuse, and that I can say with certainty.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Niteshade, again you got me all wrong.  Read again more carefully this time.  I'm not playing the racism card.  I said it COULD BE SEEN by SOME PEOPLE as racism.  I don't think I said I though it was racism. 

Again, I'm not saying he's the innocent american student.  But I'm not saying he's the bad terrorist eighter.  I'm just saying :  Wait until there are actual proofs. 

BTW, I don't think you can say anything about me with certainty.

 

[tomahawk6]

In WW2 our fathers/grandfathers fought Germans and Japanese. Were they racists ? No. Today we are fighting a multi-ethnic foe united by religious extremism. We arent racists we know who our enemy is - do you ?

 

[OldSolduer]

OK Supersonic:

I'm saying that it is wise to be prudent. We have immigration policies etc that allow us to hold people that may have a shady background. I'm assuming Pakistan has the same.
I'm saying Supersonic, that you are somewhat naive.

 

[SupersonicMax]

t6:  back then, the enemy was a nation.  Today, our enemy is parts of nations.  We can't put everyone in the same bag anymore.  How do you know this fella was a "religious extremist"?  Are you 100% sure he is our enemy?  I'm not convinced YET.  If he's proven guilty, or starts firing at our guys, I'll consider him an enemy, until then, I think we need to let the authorities do their work.

OS:  Is it imprudent of not accusing him of anything yet, but investigate on his background?  We can't just accuse anyone that we think is an 'enemy' without any proof.  We can be suspicious but if we start accusing everyone in that fashion, we are just destroying what we're fighting for.  Because the bad guys do it doesn't make it right for us to do it.

 

[OldSolduer]

Supersonic: Excuse me? If you are caught wandering around in Pakistan WITHOUT the proper paperwork, you will be arrested. They don't mess around over there.
Your ethics and values are admirable. I happen to share your point of view BUT I do beleive that this person was upt to no good. He was caught in a tribal area in Pakistan that is known to be volatile, without the proper papers. Maybe he is innocent.....maybe not.
Hypothetically, if a person disembarked at Toronto International and you were a Customs officer, and they presented you paperwork that was obviously not correct...would you let them go?

 

[SupersonicMax]

Did I say I would let the guy go? 

In you Toronto example (just like with the Pakistan situation) I would take the guy for questions, investigate him.  I would NOT throw accusations just yet though.  I would be suspicious of why he is here, however, I wouldn't say the guy was here to destroy the CN tower.  Once (if) I get proof that he was here for no good, then accuse him.  This kind of thing happens all the time in Canada and not everyone of them are thown in jail.  With technology, internet and access to information, it should be easy to get the required information about how to enter Canada right?  THere will always be people that do not research enough before making a trip.  And that's not because it's Pakistan this time it is different. 

 

[OldSolduer]

Max we are really talking about the same thing. BTW, people used to arrive here every day with NO papers, were given an Immigration hearing and allowed to proceed into Canada, promising they'd show up at another hearing. They didn't and now about 10,000 are running around Canada......aint' that a bit scary? You gotta figure at least one or two don't have good intentions.

 

[1feral1]

Max we are really talking about the same thing. BTW, people used to arrive here every day with NO papers, were given an Immigration hearing and allowed to proceed into Canada, promising they'd show up at another hearing. They didn't and now about 10,000 are running around Canada......aint' that a bit scary? You gotta figure at least one or two don't have good intentions.

Very true OS! Personally, I think its more than one or two. Many haved political values/religous beliefs which support the other side, and openly express their opinions, while others stay in the shadows, waiting. Crikey, I wish I was kidding!

The values, rights, and laws put forward in good faith for us and for genuine migrants, are now being used and abused by others who come here illegally for a free ride (or other possible sinister reason), taking advantage of our system, raping and pillaging it for their own gain be it criminal or otherwise.

By many foreigners, Canada is TARGETED for reason of being 'easy' and 'soft', its unprotected isolated borders, and passiveness of its citizens.

Harden the f**k up Canada!

OWDU

 

[OldSolduer]

Under Canada's Conservatives, deportations are up. That's a start. They are mostly criminals.....and I could care less where they end up....but we're off topic.

point is, this guy was in a place he shouldn't have been.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The latest from the Associated Press, shared with the usual disclaimer....

"A Pakistani judge Friday extended the detention of an American who police say was caught trying to sneak into a militant-infested region near the Afghan border.

Judge Nasrullah Khan granted police two more days to question the 20-year-old, who has been identified as Jude Kenan. Police had sought an extra week.

Police had brought Kenan to the court in a town in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province in handcuffs. The bearded suspect was dressed in the long shirt and baggy trousers worn by many Pakistani men.  Police detained Kenan on Monday at a checkpoint leading into Mohmand, a tribal region considered a haunt of al-Qaida and Taliban militants. Officials said he lacked the permission required for foreigners to enter the tribal belt.

Inside the courtroom, local police chief Qayyum Khan said officers wanted to know what motivated the man to come to the region. However, he gave no indication they suspected him of links with militants.  'We need more time to interrogate him to know the purpose of his presence' in the region, Khan said.

After the brief hearing, an Associated Press reporter tried to talk to Kenan. The suspect seemed ready to speak, but police quickly put Kenan in a vehicle and drove him away.  U.S. consular officials in Pakistan have visited Kenan and are providing him with consular assistance. The American Embassy has given few other details, citing privacy concerns.

Kenan's uncle, Evan Risueno, has said that his nephew left for Pakistan Oct. 3 from Raleigh, N.C., and that he planned to visit his father, who is Pakistani, and two sisters who live in Pakistan.  Risueno said Kenan had visited Pakistan before without encountering any problems...."

More on link

 

[OldSolduer]

If he had no problems in the past, then WHY was he caught wandering around Pakistan without clearances?

I may not be a smart man, but I do know what a potential terrorist is.