an idiot needs help

[Michael Dorosh]

You treadheads sure are thick.  The answer is so obvious.

We're getting rid of the Leopards (loud, noisy things) anyway, so do what we did in World War Two (and remember, we won that one, so everything we did has to have been right).

Back then, they took the Canadian built RAM (built in Canada!  Yes indeed, built right here in Canada, just like the LSVW) and because it was completely useless as a main battle tank (did I mention it was made in Canada?) they took the turrets off and built the world's first Armoured Personnel Carrier, the Ram Kangaroo (the Priest Kangaroo was a little older, but I digress).

So we just take the turrets (the recently uparmoured and refurbished, stinkingly expensive turrets) right off the Leopards (they weren't made in Canada, remember), sell them to the German Army as crew trainers, but keep the hulls and voila as they say in La Belle Province....Armoured Personnel Carriers!

No tin foil armour there.  Ummm...deucedly unsafe when under mortarfire perhaps, or within range of, say, enemy infantry with hand grenades.  Hell, even a BB gun fired from a higher elevation could put out someone's eye.  But it wouldn't cost the gummint a thing and we could double our fleet of infantry carrying armoured vehicles, which will be PERFECT for that new 5000 man brigade we're getting.

Plus, it can remind us of how we won WW II and stuff.  Generally, by having infantry debus from the back of a tank 5 feet up, wearing 30 pounds of fighting order and carrying 10 to 30 pounds of weapon.  Maybe broken necks could finally replace ratcheted knees as the injury of choice among our infantrymen.

It's always the Logistics guys who have to show the zipperheads the way, isn't it.

 

[Slim]

You treadheads sure are thick.   The answer is so obvious.

We're getting rid of the Leopards (loud, noisy things) anyway, so do what we did in World War Two (and remember, we won that one, so everything we did has to have been right).

Back then, they took the Canadian built RAM (built in Canada!   Yes indeed, built right here in Canada, just like the LSVW) and because it was completely useless as a main battle tank (did I mention it was made in Canada?) they took the turrets off and built the world's first Armoured Personnel Carrier, the Ram Kangaroo (the Priest Kangaroo was a little older, but I digress).

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So we just take the turrets (the recently uparmoured and refurbished, stinkingly expensive turrets) right off the Leopards (they weren't made in Canada, remember), sell them to the German Army as crew trainers, but keep the hulls and voila as they say in La Belle Province....Armoured Personnel Carriers!

No tin foil armour there.   Ummm...deucedly unsafe when under mortarfire perhaps, or within range of, say, enemy infantry with hand grenades.   Hell, even a BB gun fired from a higher elevation could put out someone's eye.   But it wouldn't cost the gummint a thing and we could double our fleet of infantry carrying armoured vehicles, which will be PERFECT for that new 5000 man brigade we're getting.

Plus, it can remind us of how we won WW II and stuff.   Generally, by having infantry debus from the back of a tank 5 feet up, wearing 30 pounds of fighting order and carrying 10 to 30 pounds of weapon.   Maybe broken necks could finally replace ratcheted knees as the injury of choice among our infantrymen.

So Mike,

We're getting the Ram, a kangaroo and a Leo with no turret?

Whyt not a monkey (the one from The Family Guy of course) and a couple of Llama's to go with them...The enemy would die laughing. The Llama could have twin vickars and a stinger missile for anti-seagull defense :blotto:

Seriously. Why not go buy some Abrams. Great tank, half the thing is made here anyway (the fire control system) and replacement parts and trainers would be right next door!

Slim

(who'd die laughing if the govt. actaully showed some common sense and did just that!)    :

 

[Michael Dorosh]

A monkey and a llama????  You bugger, give a tanker an inch and he wants a mile!

 

[Spr.Earl]

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It is disheartening to see the military betrayed for the sake of business.
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Think "Ross Rifle"...

Doh,my eye!

 

[cplarf]

Okey...Someone should have answered this at the very start.  Yes, they are made in London, Ontario, at GM Diesel.

GW

Nio George they arent "Built" in London.  They havent even been approved yet and the p[rototypes were built in the states.  How is retirment treating you, alot of time for the internet i see.

 

[patt]

when are the americans getting the MGS into their stryker brigade?

 

[a_majoor]

I don't have it on file, but GD sent a press release saying all versions of the MGS will be built at one of their plants in the US, and not here in London. (What a surprise) If the MGS continues to fail its trials in the US, I wonder if the CF will forge ahead with the purchase of 66 MGS, and be the only army on the planet to use it?

 

[Slim]

I don't have it on file, but GD sent a press release saying all versions of the MGS will be built at one of their plants in the US, and not here in London. (What a surprise) If the MGS continues to fail its trials in the US, I wonder if the CF will forge ahead with the purchase of 66 MGS, and be the only army on the planet to use it?

Hey Bro

Ever hear of ADATS!!?!

Cheers

Slim

 

[patt]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/Armour_school/bulletin/index_e.asp

 

[Zipper]

Well as the article says. We are to get 6 of the American versions first to test ourselves with our equipment standards. So I wonder if the Americans scrap the damn thing, do we still get the first 6?

I hope not.

 

[TCBF]

If the Americans don't buy it - we won't get it.  There is no plan "B".

Tom

 

[George Wallace]

Well as the article says. We are to get 6 of the American versions first to test ourselves with our equipment standards. So I wonder if the Americans scrap the damn thing, do we still get the first 6?

I hope not.

We'll get the "SCRAP", just like Worthy did in 1940....   ;D

 

[Zipper]

Why is it I get the feeling that if we dug up ol' Worthy right now, he'd be turning at quite the RPM?

Of course if we did that, they would want to move him to some unknown graveyard so that he could be promptly forgotten.

 

[Lance Wiebe]

Just a couple of comments about the previous posts on this thread.

The MGS version of the Stryker is slated to be built somewhere in the southern States.  It is going to be unique enough from the other variants to justify its own assembly line.  It will only have about 30% parts commonality with the LAV III!

For those lauding the Stryker and LAV 25 based on their performance in the middle east, keep in mind that they are operating under the envious position of having massive and immediate air and/or artillery support, a luxury we will not have. 

Also keep in mind that the Stryker is not armed with the 25mm in US service.  Its role is one of APC, not IFV.  It is not employed conducting recce, or route patrolling.  Its purpose in life is the same as the M113, it is a battlefield taxi for the infantry.

 

[Marty]

Just a couple of comments about the previous posts on this thread.

The MGS version of the Stryker is slated to be built somewhere in the southern States.   It is going to be unique enough from the other variants to justify its own assembly line.   It will only have about 30% parts commonality with the LAV III!

For those lauding the Stryker and LAV 25 based on their performance in the middle east, keep in mind that they are operating under the envious position of having massive and immediate air and/or artillery support, a luxury we will not have.    

Also keep in mind that the Stryker is not armed with the 25mm in US service.   Its role is one of APC, not IFV.   It is not employed conducting recce, or route patrolling.   Its purpose in life is the same as the M113, it is a battlefield taxi for the infantry.

Glad Im never going to be in the Infantry , they are the ones that will have to "make the payments " for this thing .

 

[Zipper]

He's absolutely right. We probably won't have air and arty support at our beck and call. However, we probably won't be operating in theatre's where it will be absolutely necessary either.

If you keep an eye on what the Government and CDS have been saying, you will notice that the military is being touted as being part of "Team Canada" which will also include the Red Cross and other aid agencies. Also, the foreign affairs outlook on things is that we will be operating to "protect" the civilians in war torn countries, and thus will probably be going in after the big boys (US, Britain, France) have done their dirty work.

http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-column2.htm

This is a pretty good article pointing towards this.

So get ready to be a convoy escort and provider of aid.

 

[assaulter_44d]

A monkey and a llama????   You bugger, give a tanker an inch and he wants a mile!

No just another bound LOL ;D

 

[TCBF]

"So get ready to be a convoy escort and provider of aid."

Convoys get shot at.  Convoy escorts shoot back.  A target is a target.  We don't all get to storm Vichy Ridge or hit the Norway beaches. ;D

Tom

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

At the risk of repeating what I have said on other boards, a Cavalry role would at least be achievable with our current LAV/Coyote fleet possibly augmented by MGS and LAV TOW.    The Cavalry could operate across the spectrum of conflict.   In high intensity operations it would be supporting a coalition heavy force, conducting tasks ranging from zone reconnaissance (to include counter-recce) to rear area security (but no combat team quick attacks or breaches).   At the other end of the spectrum it could be escorting aid convoys and looking for insurgents.   The Cavalry would be all-arms, as the armoured, infantry, artillery and engineers are all affected by the move to a medium weight army.

Cheers,

2B

p.s. Editted for at least one spelling mistake.  Once again, sorry for dragging along another thread.

 

[Zipper]

Too right 2B.

Now you and others have to work their asses off getting that concept in front of the powers that be and have THEM buy into it.

Good luck. I'm rooting for you.