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I think more people would sign up for the Canadian Forces if commericals or advertisements shed more light on where to actually go or recieve training I know lots of people who are interested but just dont have the time to research.. i‘m not saying lets bulk up on propaganda but let‘s atleast motivate people a little :/
 
Also, have you ever seen Canadian filmography?

Watched one of those apalling WHMIS informational videos? *shudders*
 
I remember back when I was a potential recruit watching a recruit video. It was like they took some student from high school and made him produce it. This officer would talk, then stop and the camera angle would change and then the officer would turn around, like it was dynamic or something. Plus when it referd to the Germans as trouble ahead... jk. The most effective ad i‘ve seen from our military is the navy ad you see before a movie starts. Maybe the military should make one of those.

Some propaganda would be great to. I mean give us something to be proud of. Everytime the media talks about us, it‘s always negative.
 
Propaganda is a beautiful thing if it‘s used properly, in this case it could be used properly and should!
Not brainwashing, although some of that wouldn‘t hurt either (if i were king...)
 
You guys want recruitment advertising? How about "Top Gun" "Navy Seals" or "Black Hawk Down." Works for the Yanks.
 
Ha! Enzo you rock! Remember when TOP GUN came out...U.S. Naval reruiting went up 25%!!! People even started to wear the pilot coat with the fur coller!
The only movie I‘ve ever seen about the Canadian Forces (after WWII) was this made for TV thing about an infantry platoon leader (PPCLI) in a fictional part of Yugo called Krasda, Krasna something like that ( Someone help me out!)
Anyway it was o.k. but not the, Ridley Scott directed, heart stopper that BHD was!
Maybe we should start some POSATIVE propaganda...What do the PAFO‘s do. Aren‘t they supposed to spin doctor stuff!?
:cdn: :cool: :warstory: ;) :D :cdn:
 
Yeah I mean positive propaganda of course, but anything that will drive up recruiting numbers is positive I suppose.
Actually I would really like to see a historical action/drama that is about a Canadian war moment, there are alot of them.
Any suggestions?
 
Well, propaganda costs money, and the government doesn‘t seem want to spend it.

Heck, the PM needs to appoint a "Minister of Enlightenment and Propaganda."
 
That movie Slim was taling about is called "King of Krasna". Not a bad movie at all.
 
I‘ve got it on tape...You‘re all welcome to come over and watch it!
It stars Gabriel Hogan as Lt Bobby Danko and Jeremy somebody or other as the pioneer sgt (name forgotten).
It was filmed just north of Ottawa...the RCD provided all the vehs and armour.
 
That wasn‘t a bad flick. You‘ll find it under the title "Peacekeepers" (1997). It wasn‘t bad all things considered - low budget by US standards, had many of the stereotypes, etc...

Try this one, "Going Home" (1987). Nicholas Campbell as Cpl. Brill. A shellshocked sniper in WW1. The flick has 3 parts. Flashbacks to horror of no mans land, a love story with an English girl, and finally, the reason the film was made. This flick was set in Wales in 1919. Ringing any bells?

http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSFeatures0105/02_soldiers-cp.html

This is only one example. Do further research on your own as to moments such as this. You won‘t find them on any regimental battle honours.

Honestly, I can‘t think of positive Canadian War movies with a contemporary theme. Going back a little, there‘s "The Devils Brigade" (1968). There‘s a good one. Obviously filmed in the 60‘s (this was common though, accuracy of hairstyles, sets and clothing wasn‘t a priority, you see this in many flicks of the period) the inaccuracies are laughable now. The kilted Canadians arriving with the Bagpipes proudly playing. The best of the best of the Canadian regiments paired up with criminals and louts. The worst of the American military. (Showing that their worst are equal to our best? Nice touch) Not exactly historically accurate.

"Patlabor 2" (anime, 1990) has a great line when prototype mech vehicles are being decimated by infantry with armour support in South East Asia circa 2000.

"Stand by, Canadian peacekeepers are enroute."

Sums that one up as to how we‘re viewed, I thought it was kind of cool.

You get the idea. Anyone think of any other films that highlight Canadian Combat? Usually we‘re supporting players in US films. Even the Aussies have their films "Breaker Morant", "Gallipolli". Ok, not exactly pro war movies, but at least their taking a stance as to their military heritage. They don‘t appreciate being fodder. "Attack Force Z" highlighted ANZAC special forces in WW2 - and was a Mel Gibson vehicle, ‘nuff said.

All countried engage in some form of propaganda in one form or another. The recruiting videos are laughable. What film school reject from NFB was responsilbe for those? Commercials before the movie in a theatre? Why not make a movie and get some return for it. I‘m not kidding when I implied that "BlackHawk Down" is a tool for recruitment. Ridley Scott may not intend for it to be so, but I have lived in the US since that film came out and it‘s on the list of films mentioned by people when they imagine "how cool" combat is and how much they‘d like to participate. I have a US friend who enrolled in the Army with "BHD" and "Socom: Navy SEALS" on his mind.

The Pentagon has a company set up in Hollywood and they are actively working with Hollywood (you want to make a military themed movie and have realism? We have the bases, vehicles and personnel. It‘s basically an exercise when you want to film combat. Here‘s what we want in return, etc...) They are also active in the video game market.

http://www.americasarmy.com/

Anyone feel like trying out for the US armed forces? You submit your qualifications to the military as you play. It‘s a part of their recruitment. 21st century anyone?

What is our military doing? I saw one decent commercial, but it wasn‘t appropriate. I don‘t know of many people who enjoy commercials before a film. I already paid to get in. The commercial itself showed a bit of this and that. Young people looking hard doing interesting things. I suppose, but I still had to explain to my friends what each element was and answer questions as they are uninitiated and didn‘t "get" it. Contrast to American commercials. "Hi, we‘ll train you well, to blow **** up." Keeping it simple, gotta love those Yanks eh?

Telefilm Canada (I could be mistaken about the agency title, apologies if I‘m incorrect) is attempting to break into mainstream movies. They want to increase Canadian content films that are actually watched (ie. $$$)) as opposed to ending up on the "Best Foreign Film list" at the Oscars. "Foolproof" (2003) was their first attempt. They advertised it, and it wasn‘t the worst movie. But it still didn‘t come together. How about a movie about the PPCLI kicking *** in Afghanistan last year? It‘s going to be made eventually, I‘d prefer to see it with troops sporting a Maple Leaf, than the Star Spangled Banner.

Thoughts?
 
Not sure if anyone ever notices it, but I have never seen a CF ad that had people actually carrying a weapon. The closest thing ever shown in the field is that retarded scene where a couple of troops in balmorals, including the ubiquitous female, are running through a friggin‘ puddle with a smile plasted on their face that is so fake that they make Pam Anderson‘s jugs appear to be God-given. Contrast that to the American ad that shows some 10th SFG(A) troops all kitted out with Artic kit and tricked out M4s prominently displayed. Those guys actually have their warface on, too. That‘s an ad that troops and civvies can both look at and go "Now that‘s F#CKIN‘ cool". It‘s just one more small way that the Forces marginalize ourselves to lick Liberal boot. We‘re an unarmed society, so we can only publicly display our Forces as unarmed to keep the mindless sheep happy and secure in their blissful ignorance.

Honestly, I can‘t think of positive Canadian War movies with a contemporary theme. Going back a little, there‘s "The Devils Brigade" (1968). There‘s a good one. Obviously filmed in the 60‘s (this was common though, accuracy of hairstyles, sets and clothing wasn‘t a priority, you see this in many flicks of the period) the inaccuracies are laughable now. The kilted Canadians arriving with the Bagpipes proudly playing.
Man, that brings back my second best memory of QL2/3. We had just got back from our first stint in the field at Borden, and were back in Meaford (hook-tooy). I think it was a Saturday and everyone was pretty wrung out and downtrodden. After supper, our marching NCO marched us over to the classrooms. There was a TV in front, and then the Crse O (WO K, wherever you are I still respect the **** out of you) came in and told us he knew we were all a little messed up, and basically gave us a pep talk. Towards the end he tells us that Canadian soldiers are always proud, and have good reason to be. He then proceeded to show that clip of the the Canadians marching down that hill with the pipes ablazing. Knowing that the unit I was going to was a Highland unit, I **** near had to wipe my eye, to see that scene so full of pride and panache. We all marched back to the tentline with a little more pride and "hooah" after that. To this day whenever I‘m out in the field soaked and frozen and sleepf&cked, I always remember that and remind myself it‘s all about driving on. :)Awesome scene.
 
Yup we do have a prob blowing our own trumpet Eh?

I think a Bio Movie of Smokey Smith would be a good one for starter‘s!
 
Personally, I think the best bet is for the government to sponsor a high-budget war movie involving Canadian soldiers, in an event well-known enough that the movie can be shown in theatres worldwide, so the government can revenue from the movie as well as boost the number of recruits and the morale of the Canadian people. But I seriously doubt this will ever happen.
 
I think that it‘s a great idea...specialy now that we have all the jammy pers kit! Afganistan would be a great venue, epecially the sniper (Canadian) who wacked a terrorist at 2300 meters! And the guy wasn‘t even JTF!
When I read that I smiled for three days straight.
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Logistics is the problem. The Yanks have the personnel to spare for filming in neutral countries such as Morocco for BHD. We don‘t. Filming in Afghanistan isn‘t safe as of yet and the troops there can‘t be spared. Unless they got really tricky. Film the guys on the ground now for all of the background, etc... Then take 50 guys over to a neighbouring area and film the cave scenes there, etc... The Yanks will still have to assist w/ their equipment for accuracy.

I‘m thinking Medak Pocket may be a better start. It happened during a Peacekeeping operation. Filming can be in Canada to keep costs down with some exteriors in Europe. Reserve troops and equipment can be used with minimal Yank involvement. And the actual fight wasn‘t a bad one for Canada. When all was said and done, we came out on top. That can be highlighted easily. The faults of command and political interference could be included also. Add to the drama, etc... The question is one of interest. Do they want to highlight anything from these times which would call into question decisions of the government and the command/equipment inefficiencies which plague the CF?

Anyone know how to get interest going in such a production? Let‘s call Telefilm.
 
No, the problem is 35 million Canadians whining and crying that we don‘t have any decent movies made about us, and no one doing anything about it.

No resources? Bull****; we paid 1.6 million dollars for "Voice of Fire" for the national gallery - it was a painting on three coloured stripes.

You are forgetting the DIEPPE miniseries, which was quite good, and the HEROES OF THE VICTORIA CROSS TV show that was shot in Dundurn (a friend of mine played Smokey Smith, and you will see my name in the credits, ahem, for loaning some uniforms).

PEACEKEEPERS was made with the full co-operation of the CF,despite the fact it depicted one soldier committing suicide, and another Warrant Officer as a coward. Peter Worthington was amazed at DND for allowing this to go forward, I agree with him that it was a great move. The US military only supports movies in which their forces look squeaky clean.

Look at COURAGE UNDER FIRE - the US Army withdrew its support early on (the M1 Abrams tanks that Denzel Washington leads into battles are actually mockups based on British Challengers, hard to believe but true).

So how many of you have written a screenplay? Kind of hard to make movies until someone comes up with a screenplay. Then again, it‘s far easier to whine about how we don‘t have any resources and make other phoney excuses.

Until someone with some passion comes forward and gets some sponsorship for historical film projects, nothing will happen. Forget about the government, they don‘t care - go write to Fred Mannix, one of the richest men in Canada whose personal worth is measured in the billions of dollars and who not only was once honourary colonel of the Calgary Highlanders but still sits on committees dealing with the future of the Reserves in Canada.

So, who wants to complain, and who wants to step forward and do something about it?

PEACEKEEPERS got made because someone sat down, interviewed the real deal (peacekeeping vets), wrote a screenplay, and went from there. DND supported it because it was a good script and served their interests.

What‘s stopping the rest of you?
 
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