Colin Parkinson
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Far more useful thoughOr a Class B Staff Officer?![]()
Far more useful thoughOr a Class B Staff Officer?![]()
The MILCOTS, right?Far more useful though
The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea defines a warship thusly:If what we went through in the last 10 days says anything its that these AOPs are most defiantly not a warship.
The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea defines a warship thusly:
โFor the purposes of this Convention, "warship" means a ship belonging to the armed forces of a State bearing the external marks distinguishing such ships of its nationality, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of the State and whose name appears in the appropriate service list or its equivalent, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.โ
By this definition an AOPS is definitely a warship. A non-combatant warship, perhaps, but still legally a warship.
Do tell!!!If what we went through in the last 10 days says anything its that these AOPs are most defiantly not a warship.
Do tell!!!
I mean, they are packing it in for the sniffles. Or so I read today lol
The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea defines a warship thusly:
โFor the purposes of this Convention, "warship" means a ship belonging to the armed forces of a State bearing the external marks distinguishing such ships of its nationality, under the command of an officer duly commissioned by the government of the State and whose name appears in the appropriate service list or its equivalent, and manned by a crew which is under regular armed forces discipline.โ
By this definition an AOPS is definitely a warship. A non-combatant warship, perhaps, but still legally a warship.
Well Asterix although civilian owned, the new JSS, AOPS, Kingston Class are also Non-Combatants. All of which are built on commercial standards, I'm pretty sure JSS has some commercial standards. All RCN ships to one extent or another are armed either by Small arms, 50 Cals, 25mm, 57mm or missile systems. Canadian CG are not armed and don't have the mandate of an armed force, AOPS are and that's the distinction. Change the mandate of the CG and train and arm them and then yes they can take over all tasks of AOPS. Is that ever going to happen more than likely not.Again, my ignorance, besides the definition above, isn't AOPS also armed with the BAE 25mm Mk 38 machine gun system that features a highly accurate gun targeting and surveillance system, as well as the M242 Cannon. Doesn't this make it a warship although it isn't built to conventional navy milspecs? Doesn't this make it a warship? If it isn't then shouldn't the Canadian Coast Guard be responsible for all the tasks assigned to AOPS class of ships and crew them?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass.
Canadian warship ORIOLE enters the chat.
When Oriole calls into traffic they call in as HMCS Oriole, sometimes traffic responds with Warship Oriole. Its a non combatant for sure and has small arms so yes I would say its a warship as all RCN ships are.Canadian warship ORIOLE enters the chat.
A few years ago, if I recall correctly, the RCN, itself, classified the AOPs as a "constabulary vessel." Maybe the Coast Guard has the right (unarmed) roles, now, and the "old" RCMP Marine Division needs to be reformed ... I know, I know, crewing and everything, but if they really are "constabulary vessels" then maybe they should belong to a constabulary force.
Well they can do constabulary work as the CCG can't. They are well set up for staging boarding teams and hosting OGD. Even if the CCG changed themselves to a constabulary force, we would still be using AOPS in the Arctic and elsewhere.A few years ago, if I recall correctly, the RCN, itself, classified the AOPs as a "constabulary vessel." Maybe the Coast Guard has the right (unarmed) roles, now, and the "old" RCMP Marine Division needs to be reformed ... I know, I know, crewing and everything, but if they really are "constabulary vessels" then maybe they should belong to a constabulary force.
Ah yes but how many Sea days do they contribute?I'd like to point out that the Coast Guard does have some ships assigned to do constabulary work: Some of the mid-shore patrol vessels are assigned to carry RCMP officers on law enforcement taskings and as a result, carry two different government ID plates. The Coast Guard one and the RCMP one.
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28 Layday cycle, so the ship will be in a SAR zone and likley spend most of that patrol tied up or at anchor. They be oncall 24/7 unless down with mechanical issues .Ah yes but how many Sea days do they contribute?
28 Layday cycle, so the ship will be in a SAR zone and likley spend most of that patrol tied up or at anchor. They be oncall 24/7 unless down with mechanical issues .