Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

[suffolkowner]

Am I the only one who thinks it odd an AOPS is going south instead of north to get to Esquimalt?

Probably depends on time of year.

yeah its a little too early to transit the NWP I think, maybe with a heavy icebreaker in tandem?
Why I suggested they keep going south to Cape Horn lol

 

[Rainbow1910]

AOPS is designed to operate in the Arctic between June and October, even CCG icebreakers are not regularly present for the winter months in the Arctic. Going around Cape Horn wouldn't be especially pleasant as well, best to get the ship to the West Coast and let the crews train up before any substantial operations are undertaken.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

AOPS is designed to operate in the Arctic between June and October, even CCG icebreakers are not regularly present for the winter months in the Arctic. Going around Cape Horn wouldn't be especially pleasant as well, best to get the ship to the West Coast and let the crews train up before any substantial operations are undertaken.

Only the Russians have icebreakers that work the arctic in the winter and they focus most on keeping their northern sea route open.

 

[Stoker]

yeah its a little too early to transit the NWP I think, maybe with a heavy icebreaker in tandem?
Why I suggested they keep going south to Cape Horn lol

Yes the ice is too heavy right now and she needs to get to the WC pronto for other deployments and training of crew.

 

[suffolkowner]

Yes the ice is too heavy right now and she needs to get to the WC pronto for other deployments and training of crew.

how does the Panama Canal transit work? Is there a guaranteed slot?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

how does the Panama Canal transit work? Is there a guaranteed slot?

There is a limited number of slots partly due to drought and just what the physical infrastructure can hold in one day. When she goes through, she will likley have to share the locks with other vessels.

 

[Kirkhill]

Yes the ice is too heavy right now and she needs to get to the WC pronto for other deployments and training of crew.

I thought we were warming?

 

[Dana381]

I thought we were warming?

IKR, the way Greta and the gang talk I thought the iqualoitians would have their beach umbrellas out already

 

[Spencer100]

IKR, the way Greta and the gang talk I thought the iqualoitians would have their beach umbrellas out already

I've always thought if the warming was totally real....two things....first everyone from Obama to Soros has bought beachfront mansions...second and being more serious, Canada would be the biggest net beneficiary in the world. I see no move to win on this. Opening up the north would be just one big win. But nothing from the powers that be.

Edit...Beneficiary not benefactor

 

[suffolkowner]

Sea Ice Today

nsidc.org

Sea Ice Thickness and Volume: Polar Portal

polarportal.dk

it helps to keep current conditions for perspective and not those from 20 yrs ago. Note the above is not meant for navigation but we are at or near the winter maximum

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sea Ice Today

nsidc.org

Sea Ice Thickness and Volume: Polar Portal

polarportal.dk

it helps to keep current conditions for perspective and not those from 20 yrs ago. Note the above is not meant for navigation but we are at or near the winter maximum

Interesting, all the thickness values are modelled but they don't seem to reference any groundtruthing to ensure their model is accurate. I learned over the years that modelling without groundtruthing always needs to be treated with caution.

DMI Modelled ice thickness

ocean.dmi.dk

 

[suffolkowner]

Interesting, all the thickness values are modelled but they don't seem to reference any groundtruthing to ensure their model is accurate. I learned over the years that modelling without groundtruthing always needs to be treated with caution.

DMI Modelled ice thickness

ocean.dmi.dk

there are some data from in place measurements and buoys but most is off satellites now. You also have to take into account for example with ice extent that the cell only needs to be 15% covered in ice and each cell is 100km2 i think

 

[Colin Parkinson]

there are some data from in place measurements and buoys but most is off satellites now. You also have to take into account for example with ice extent that the cell only needs to be 15% covered in ice and each cell is 100km2 i think

Thanks for the comment. Took a quick look and found this interesting bit on the buoys. Ingenious way of doing things.

This is a older report

Ice mass-balance buoys: a tool for measuring and attributing changes in the thickness of the Arctic sea-ice cover | Annals of Glaciology | Cambridge Core

Ice mass-balance buoys: a tool for measuring and attributing changes in the thickness of the Arctic sea-ice cover - Volume 44

www.cambridge.org

Here is a new rabbit hole I will have to go down. Domestic ice reconnaissance done by the local communities. These are the sort things I like to see, beyond just the data. The jobs, the pride in providing information to the community all help to make them healthier.

Atlas

 

[suffolkowner]

Thanks for the comment. Took a quick look and found this interesting bit on the buoys. Ingenious way of doing things.

This is a older report

Ice mass-balance buoys: a tool for measuring and attributing changes in the thickness of the Arctic sea-ice cover | Annals of Glaciology | Cambridge Core

Ice mass-balance buoys: a tool for measuring and attributing changes in the thickness of the Arctic sea-ice cover - Volume 44

www.cambridge.org

Here is a new rabbit hole I will have to go down. Domestic ice reconnaissance done by the local communities. These are the sort things I like to see, beyond just the data. The jobs, the pride in providing information to the community all help to make them healthier.

Atlas

We dont use and equip our northern communities as we should.
Northern resupply with ice capable freight/RORO ships manned by Reservist that can be optioned for CAF material lift
DAME, whatever we choose in every northern community for sovereignty patrols and SAR-Rangers
Northern utility/Twin Otter replacement?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

We dont use and equip our northern communities as we should.
Northern resupply with ice capable freight/RORO ships manned by Reservist that can be optioned for CAF material lift
DAME, whatever we choose in every northern community for sovereignty patrols and SAR-Rangers
Northern utility/Twin Otter replacement?

I would put into place Naval Reserve units at two places, one Western and one Eastern Arctic. Build a large hanger with attached building and launching ramp with apron that helicopters can also land on. Equip them with a CB-90 boat and a large RHIB. Boats and training inside during winter. Patrolling and supporting the Rangers, RCMP, CCG and CAF in the summer. It will need a fair bit of support from the south for the first 10 years, but the goal is to develop local capability. Adapt the CAF approach to the local conditions, not the other way around.

 

[Spencer100]

I would put into place Naval Reserve units at two places, one Western and one Eastern Arctic. Build a large hanger with attached building and launching ramp with apron that helicopters can also land on. Equip them with a CB-90 boat and a large RHIB. Boats and training inside during winter. Patrolling and supporting the Rangers, RCMP, CCG and CAF in the summer. It will need a fair bit of support from the south for the first 10 years, but the goal is to develop local capability. Adapt the CAF approach to the local conditions, not the other way around.

Or we can just wait for the CCP or others to get it done.......

Is that not current policy?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Having no policy with matching capability is the same thing as the CCP policy.

 

[Spencer100]

Having no policy with matching capability is the same thing as the CCP policy.

Really my point said nicer. LOL.

If things keep moving in the direction they are the world is going to wake up with PLA China MinMetals Minerals Corp. bases in the artic circle. China is going to demand something of Putin in the near future. What is the price of Haishenwai to Putin?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Or we can just wait for the CCP or others to get it done.......

Is that not current policy?

On the bright side, that option would have more noodle houses in the north......

 

[calculus]

I wasn't aware an AOPV fired upon and sank a narco boat:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1760650652588613852

Kinda cool.