Army.ca and the Rest of Canada

[Kat Stevens]

Well then it will just be one of the costs of living where you do and not having to deal with B/Es and drive-by shootings like I do, then, isn't it? The EU can do it because blah blah bla? Well obviously it works, so then howsabout we start doing what they do?  If your village has no bakery and gas prices go up, maybe you can open one? No Mass transit? Start your own, then!  It's always about ME ME ME and never about the planet or world peace.

Of course there's always the buggy-whip-maker problem. Change isn't easy, but sometimes it's neccesary. Some people will have to give up things, and they'll whine. That's where leadership comes in.

The EU can do it because 377 Million (in 2000) people are crammed into 3 Million square kilometers of area.  Canada has 30 Million (2001 census) people spread out over 10 million square kilometers.  Open a bakery, another stroke of Genius!  Start a bus service for 15,000 people in the whole county, genius again!  Get Trump on the phone, I'm sure he'd pony up the startup dough for such an obvious winner of a plan.  The population base out here does not support any of the things you urbanites take for granted. as for world peace, good luck with that, and the planet will take care of itself. I'm seriously doubtful there will be humans on it in another 1000 years.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Oh one with child, I knew you were actually Libby Davies posting vicariously on these boards.

You obviously are choosing to disregard the aspect of geography when comparing Canada to Europe - by the way, have you been to Europe, and if so, are you telling me that you want to live like that?  Move.

If we carried on like Europe, the country that most closely models Canada is the Ukraine or perhaps western Russia- some quality of life, huh?

The price of oil, and more particularly gasonline and diesel, is needlessly high right now and it is not supply and demand driving the cost- it is unchecked greed.

Rural Canadians are already paying the price for choosing to live where they are- their values are being outlawed and otherwise diluted by the urban agenda, they pay artificial market property taxes, some times in the absence of any real market at all, their schools are running down, their social services are consolidated into distant centres, they have next to no health care in many places, they pay taxes to governments that scorn them and their way of life  

BTW are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Think about where most of our food supply comes from- rural Canada, rural USA or rural somewhere. It tkaes fuel to support the agriculture industry. Same with lumber, mining etc. Those are all rural industries.  Personally, I think rural Canadians ought to jack up the cost of food and lumber to pay for their fuel costs and their distinct way of life. Especially granola- i'd say a 500 percent increase ought to cover the increased cost of fuel and make the right people pay for it.

Seriously, if you had to pay so much money for your food that you couldn't carry on with your studies-would that be a good thing? I don't think so. Why ask rural people to make choices like? because that is exactly what is going to happen. We all depend on fuel in various forms, fossil or otherwise.

Needless to say, I too live in a rural area (although I drive a hybrid 4x4).

Cheers.  

 

[Cloud Cover]

Should I reset the poll and add an option for environmental reasons?

 

[Britney Spears]

Oh one with child, I knew you were actually Libby Davies posting vicariously on these boards.

You obviously are choosing to disregard the aspect of geography when comparing Canada to Europe - by the way, have you been to Europe, and if so, are you telling me that you want to live like that?  Move.

If we carried on like Europe, the country that most closely models Canada is the Ukraine or perhaps western Russia- some quality of life, huh?

The price of oil, and more particularly gasonline and diesel, is needlessly high right now and it is not supply and demand driving the cost- it is unchecked greed.

Rural Canadians are already paying the price for choosing to live where they are- their values are being outlawed and otherwise diluted by the urban agenda, they pay artificial market property taxes, some times in the absence of any real market at all, their schools are running down, their social services are consolidated into distant centres, they have next to no health care in many places, they pay taxes to governments that scorn them and their way of life 

BTW are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Think about where most of our food supply comes from- rural Canada, rural USA or rural somewhere. It tkaes fuel to support the agriculture industry. Same with lumber, mining etc. Those are all rural industries.  Personally, I think rural Canadians ought to jack up the cost of food and lumber to pay for their fuel costs and their distinct way of life. Especially granola- i'd say a 500 percent increase ought to cover the increased cost of fuel and make the right people pay for it.

Seriously, if you had to pay so much money for your food that you couldn't carry on with your studies-would that be a good thing? I don't think so. Why ask rural people to make choices like? because that is exactly what is going to happen. We all depend on fuel in various forms, fossil or otherwise.

Needless to say, I too live in a rurla area (although I drive a hybrid 4x4).

Cheers. 

Look, we can argue the specifics until the cows come home, it won't matter. Bottom line is that our current model of transportation isn't sustainable in enviromental terms and it NEEDS to be changed. Is it going to be cost-free? NO. Who's going to pay for it? Let the market decide.  My main concern has nothing to do with rural communities anyway, since they are not significant sources of pollution, but the endless parade of petty excuses for maintaining the status quo is silly. Of course some people are going to get screwed, see buggy-whip-maker.  If we need to levy a tax only on urban consumers of fuel and leave the rural folks out of it, fine by me. I'm not sure how logistically feasable that would be but I've no problem with it in principle, if it takes a tax on city dwellers that doubles their(and mine) fuel costs to change the way city people think, then let's do it.

BTW, kindly quit with the "have you been to Europe" assinine-ness. I don't need to have had cancer to know smoking is bad.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Smoking causes cancer?

 

[Cloud Cover]

"asininity"- but who knows if it causes cancer.

 

[Kat Stevens]

I'm sure we all agree that fossil fuels are on the way out.  The issue here is cost to John and Joan Q.  When hydrogen fueled cars are all the rage, the gov will tax the arses off us for a tank of water, or whatever.  There is NEVER going to be a cheap, readily available energy source, someone will always get rich at the expense of others.  If we all went to electric cars tomorrow, the cost of extension cords will double the next day.

 

[Britney Spears]

Let me put this more succinctly. I don't have any grudge with rural folks, and I'm all for any public measure to help easy the growing pains that arise from change. Try this: Assuming that prices go up a fair bit and stabilize, I would definitely support a fuel tax on CITY dwellers like me, in order to force cities to adopt more efficient transportation networks. I would also support diverting part of the revenue towards fuel subsidies for rural dwellers who do have an honest (and we cannot easily avoid it) need to consume more fuel. The point is to start forcing the SUV driving fatties living downtown here to start walking, because they live in a city and they have no reason not to. If we need to placate the farming people in the mean time, then so be it.

That sound fair?

 

[Cloud Cover]

I'd vote for you.

 

[Britney Spears]

Well, it's cheaper than building a bakery for each and every one of you buggers, I suppose.....

 

[Cloud Cover]

Added new option. Reset the poll.

 

[CallOfDuty]

      I have to say...............There are people out there driving these 4X4's  or suv's that definately DON'T need them, and that really makes me angry.  They only drive them because they have the money to do so. Or because its the 'in" thing to do.  There are so many buses running around every day that everyone can get to where they want to go, if only they would sacrifice a little time to do so. 
  I know that if I get into the forces, I wil be taking the bus to Halifax everday......why not???....its Cheap!!!
    I know people in rural areas need to have their vehicles, but its the people that live in cities that have to start using public transportation, and stop relying on their cars and Suv's everyday.

 

[IcEPiCk]

There is something to be said to driving your own vehicle... When I was driving (no need in my current situation) I enjoyed it, mind you I was a crazy maniac on the road.

There are people out there driving these 4X4's  or suv's that definately DON'T need them, and that really makes me angry.  They only drive them because they have the money to do so.

Its a status symbol...  I see a ton of BMW X5s, Humvees, Lexus's etc in the GTA..

A lot of people drive them because of the perception they are safter...  When in reality they have more roll overs...


bottom line is with India and China's consumer market growing, demand is going to steadily increase....  Hydrogen or electric seem like the ideal alternatives for mass production...  I think part of the problem is the amount of power the oil companies have though.


Take care. 

 

[48Highlander]

Even hydrogen/electric cars aren't a real solution.  Let's say tomorrow everyone starts driving pure electric vehicles.  Where's the electricity going to come from?  We'd need to massively expand the generating power, as well as rebuilding large portions of the grid.  Also, the majority of our electricity is still generated by burning fossil fuels, which means at best we're decreasing fossil fuel consumption by 50%, and burning it at more centralized locations.  Better for air-quality, but it doesn't do much to fix the depletion of natural resources.  Even that 50% drop would be eclipsed by the emergence of industrialization in third world countries.

Barring some MAJOR new technological discovery, we're going to be having power problems for a LONG time.