Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

[Brasidas]

Yes, they are: BMQ and BMQ (L). You must have DDC and Driver wheel for LSVW and Milcot, have successfully completed a BFT within 365 days (or as a reservist a PT test), also must have a level 2 security clearance or atleast in process of getting one, and PO 001.

According to a brief last week (reserves):

ACISS core DP1 mod2 is taken first. It's 47 days, with a pre-req of driver wheeled. BMQ(L) is potentially waivable.

Consensus of class B pers at the brief was that it'd be a trainwreck to plan on having a wave of weekend BMQ/SQ types going straight into a DP1 with the expectation of them having driver wheeled. They're training on the weekends from fall through to summer. Are all units supposed to run a driver course in the two weeks prior to the course start date? If it's a pre-req and the plan is to schedule the course on that timeframe (count ten weeks backwards from August 25), then plan on running a driver course at CFSCE right before the course start date.

Mod1 is taken at the unit, after taking mod2 in the summer. 6 days, including topics such as HF.

DP2 is 15 days at CFSCE, 8 days DL.

For line, you've got about five summers worth of training (excluding BMQ/SQ), effectively killing the trade for the reserves. They will be expected to register in regforce course serials for DP1.1 and DP2.1. They will be at a deliberately lower standard than the existing 3's at the end of DP1.1.

 

[wson]

Hey guys I found out yesterday that the basic occupational training for ACISS is only 18 weeks long, whereas Sig ops is 6 months and LCIS is 32 weeks, any idea how the time frame for the 3 sub occupation are? The recruiter had no idea, just wondering if anyone had any new information on this or not.

 

[MikeL]

Check out the ACISS thread in the Communications sub-forum.. might be a good place to look.

 

[wson]

Skimmed through it , didn't notice anything, i will take another look tho.

 

[JBP]

Anyone gone through yet and submitted themselves and their MPRR's for PLAR into a different sub-trade? Shortly I hope to be writing mine up and sending it in...

 

[chrisf]

....it'd be a trainwreck to plan on having a wave of weekend BMQ/SQ...

Come on resurrection of the "COMM RES BATTLE SCHOOL"! (Sarcastic names or jokes aside, the glasses have been tinted rose, and I always had a blast working there)

 

[PuckChaser]

I had a blast being there. I really did like Shilo in the summer, the mess food was always top notch (box lunches another story). The year I did my PLQ they brought in a PRes Arty Major to be the school Cmdt. Things ran very smoothly, gave us enough rope to hang ourselves with instead of treating us like children. We lost 2 weekends in a 9 week course, one was due to field ex and the other for field ex prep.

 

[Brasidas]

Come on resurrection of the "COMM RES BATTLE SCHOOL"! (Sarcastic names or jokes aside, the glasses have been tinted rose, and I always had a blast working there)

Meh. Give me a driver-instructor qual and I'd do the "COMM RES DRIVING SCHOOL". Even when Shilo was running, CFSCE did a less than stellar job with getting info passed down about what the actual pre-reqs were for 3's. Now there's a bigger time crunch to get them done in, and I doubt it's going to help.

Folks'd finish their BMQ/SQ at Shilo, have plenty of time to get their VP and 404's done, then show up at CFSCE without that little T1 tag on their 404's. Hello extracurricular trailer quals course run by instructors so that there'd be more than 7 QL3's qualified to be drivers on Mercury Storm.

Same thing happened again last summer, and I expect it to be even worse in the future. Organizing a damned driver wheeled course at Kingston as a formal part of the program would be a step up from the ad hoc garbage.

 

[211RadOp]

They do run driver training at the school.  I have two members of my Troop on course there right now.  The problem with running it prior to DP1 for PRes Signallers is that the course run at CFSCE is 14 training days.  Adding this 14 days onto DP1 would not work for Reservists as there are just not enough training days in the summer to do it all.

 

[chrisf]

I had a blast being there. I really did like Shilo in the summer, the mess food was always top notch (box lunches another story). The year I did my PLQ they brought in a PRes Arty Major to be the school Cmdt. Things ran very smoothly, gave us enough rope to hang ourselves with instead of treating us like children. We lost 2 weekends in a 9 week course, one was due to field ex and the other for field ex prep.

Things ran smoothly despite him, not because of him, I can assure you.

 

[PuckChaser]

Got another brief today during the Ex Comm Player PD session. MES Manager specifically mentioned this forum, so perhaps they're following in their spare time.

Trade standup date is pushed to the right again, tentatively end April. They're waiting on approval of the IP (no idea what that means) document to stand up the trade.

After hearing the brief right from the horses mouth so to speak, and hearing his experiences in the CF, I'm slightly more warm and fuzzy to the idea. There are a lot of plans to deal with the concerns the members are bringing up, its just a matter of getting them completed before we start ourselves down this road which will end in ruin if we don't kill the concerns right away. The brief we got is supposed to be up on the ACISS sharepoint sometime this week.

As for the reservists on here: 3 separate questions were asked about them, and all got the same answer. When the PRes restructure is done, then they'll know whether we'll have PRes CST and IST members. The training is also going to completely mirror the RegF courses, so expect quite a few summers to qualify someone as an Apprentice.

 

[Brasidas]

Got another brief today during the Ex Comm Player PD session. MES Manager specifically mentioned this forum, so perhaps they're following in their spare time.

Trade standup date is pushed to the right again, tentatively end April. They're waiting on approval of the IP (no idea what that means) document to stand up the trade.

After hearing the brief right from the horses mouth so to speak, and hearing his experiences in the CF, I'm slightly more warm and fuzzy to the idea. There are a lot of plans to deal with the concerns the members are bringing up, its just a matter of getting them completed before we start ourselves down this road which will end in ruin if we don't kill the concerns right away. The brief we got is supposed to be up on the ACISS sharepoint sometime this week.

As for the reservists on here: 3 separate questions were asked about them, and all got the same answer. When the PRes restructure is done, then they'll know whether we'll have PRes CST and IST members. The training is also going to completely mirror the RegF courses, so expect quite a few summers to qualify someone as an Apprentice.

Reserve line looks like a nightmare as it is. It'd be nice to normalize the already trained LCIS guys though (Eg ex- reg LCIS/CST with QL3/DP1.1 joins reserve unit, then completes DP2 as a reservist on reg force courses).

 

[Rheostatic]

Brasidas:
The training is also going to completely mirror the RegF courses

Except for the ACISS core 2.1, 3.1 etc that won't be available will be "supplemental" to the reserves.

In fact the consensus at the briefing was that this will be a move away from reg/res equivalency, with unfortunate consequences for reserve employabality.

 

[PuckChaser]

Reserve line looks like a nightmare as it is. It'd be nice to normalize the already trained LCIS guys though (Eg ex- reg LCIS/CST with QL3/DP1.1 joins reserve unit, then completes DP2 as a reservist on reg force courses).

That's up in the air until the restructure is done. The impression I got is that if they do not create CST/IST positions, those ex-RegF LCIS techs will still have all of their quals, just not gain any new CST DPx.1 courses. Nothing stopping you from employing them as CSTs, however their career progression would be that of ACISS Core, and would only be able to do the General Signals Knowledge DL courses if they want to stay current in the tech world. More to follow though, MES is waiting on external agencies for the PRes stuff.

 

[Fizzik]

It has come to my attention from what i see on the forces website just recently updated. But  the amalgamation of trades (ACISS) is not on the site but the three trades are considered hotjobs(Linemen, Sig Op, LCIS). So are they continuing to recruit as the initial trade and sending these people through the ACISS program and honoring their subtrade choice? Or is the site just not correctly updated? Considering ACISS is suppose to be in full effect as of April .1st correct?

 

[PuckChaser]

You can only apply for ACISS Core. You do not get a subtrade choice at recruitment, only once you finish BMQ and hit the HQ and Sigs Sqn. Anyone recruited previously as LCIS, Line or SigOp will get fastracked to that subtrade, but anyone else without an offer now gets to test the system out by being purely ACISS first.

Trade date has been pushed right from 1 Apr 11 as they are waiting for paperwork to be approved to stand the trade up.

 

[Sigger]

You can only apply for ACISS Core. You do not get a subtrade choice at recruitment, only once you finish BMQ and hit the HQ and Sigs Sqn. Anyone recruited previously as LCIS, Line or SigOp will get fastracked to that subtrade, but anyone else without an offer now gets to test the system out by being purely ACISS first.

Trade date has been pushed right from 1 Apr 11 as they are waiting for paperwork to be approved to stand the trade up.

In theory.. Not necessarily in practice.

 

[PuckChaser]

In theory.. Not necessarily in practice.

We'll have to roll the dice and see if it all works out I guess.

 

[Fizzik]

Yea I, guess so eh.. Considering im one of the ones who signed for LCIS and done my POET and currently on the ACISS DP1.0 Pilot courses. I'm trying to keep positive 

 

[JB 11 11]

Funny... I applied last July and will be Merit listed for my trade as of April 22nd. (My application's pending until then due to LASIK wait times), and every time I've been in contact with the RC, they have referred to my trade as "Sig Op" and not ACISS. I've even slipped a few ACISS references in Emails, but its still "Sig Op" with them.

Its all a bit confusing this. It will definitely be interesting to see what happens if I make it into this intake.