Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

[REDinstaller]

That has been the case for many many moons.

 

[Swingline1984]

It just seems that one hand at CFSCE doesn't know what the other is doing.

They know exactly what they are doing.  A complete stoppage of training would create an even bigger bottleneck and people like you would have to wait even longer to be trained.  While we sit around on our computers, drink coffee and postulate, the folks at CFCSE are living with the amalgamation every day.  In a very short time they have had to figure out how to move from teaching the legacy Qualification Levels to the new Development Periods, meanwhile trying to balance that with the inflow of personnel, and still try to produce viable signallers for the use of the CF.  I do not envy them.

 

[Sig_Des]

They know exactly what they are doing.  A complete stoppage of training would create an even bigger bottleneck and people like you would have to wait even longer to be trained.  While we sit around on our computers, drink coffee and postulate, the folks at CFCSE are living with the amalgamation every day.  In a very short time they have had to figure out how to move from teaching the legacy Qualification Levels to the new Development Periods, meanwhile trying to balance that with the inflow of personnel, and still try to produce viable signallers for the use of the CF.  I do not envy them.

Yup. I just finished the ACISS DP 2.1 Writing Board, and it definitely has been a balancing act for the staff at CFSCE, capturing the different levels. It isn't just a matter of Stop this training, and start that one the the next day.

 

[emmsmama]

I've read through quite a bit of this thread and am trying to understand something.  Dh was offered an LCIS position - he will be sworn in at the beginning of July, leaving end of July for BMQ.  Does this amalgamation mean that when he is done his BMQ they might not be loading him onto the rest of his courses for LCIS training?  My understanding is that after BMQ he's to go to somewhere (Borden maybe) for 10 wks. (SQ is maybe what it is called, sorry a lot of acronyms to remember) and then he'd be going to Kingston for POET.  So if he signs on the dotted line for LCIS does that mean he's for sure going to get training and job assigment as LCIS, or will all the changes change up those who are already on course for LCIS or who are already qualified in that trade?  Thanks for any help clarifying it all for me.

 

[Sig_Des]

I've read through quite a bit of this thread and am trying to understand something.  Dh was offered an LCIS position - he will be sworn in at the beginning of July, leaving end of July for BMQ.  Does this amalgamation mean that when he is done his BMQ they might not be loading him onto the rest of his courses for LCIS training?  My understanding is that after BMQ he's to go to somewhere (Borden maybe) for 10 wks. (SQ is maybe what it is called, sorry a lot of acronyms to remember) and then he'd be going to Kingston for POET.  So if he signs on the dotted line for LCIS does that mean he's for sure going to get training and job assigment as LCIS, or will all the changes change up those who are already on course for LCIS or who are already qualified in that trade?  Thanks for any help clarifying it all for me.

Once again, as of 1 Jan 2011, there is NO LCIS trade. Those who are LCIS techs will become ACISS CST's. It's up in the air what's going to happen to people who are currently in training, maybe some of their training for the new trade and sub-occupation will be written off.

Your husband, if he has yet to leave for BMQ, as the timeline will be tight, will most likely have to go through all of the ACISS training program before he enters the Tech sub-occupation stream.

 

[Sorcerer-tech]

I'm not sure if this link has been posted or not, but it does have some valuable information for the new amalgamation that helped me see it a little more clearly.  I have been following this thread for a long time since I originally accepted the offer of LCIS while waiting for ATIS to re-open.  However since I was offered ATIS a little while ago and accepted that, this doesn't really pertain to me anymore.  It is still interesting however and I hope it helps shed some more light on the subject.
http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp

 

[bang]

Thank you for that link

 

[emmsmama]

I'm not sure if this link has been posted or not, but it does have some valuable information for the new amalgamation that helped me see it a little more clearly.  I have been following this thread for a long time since I originally accepted the offer of LCIS while waiting for ATIS to re-open.  However since I was offered ATIS a little while ago and accepted that, this doesn't really pertain to me anymore.  It is still interesting however and I hope it helps shed some more light on the subject.
http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp

Thanks for the link.  What is going to happen to all the guys and gals who are LCIS right now (as in fully trained and working in the field)?

 

[Swingline1984]

What is going to happen to all the guys and gals who are LCIS right now (as in fully trained and working in the field)?

That question has already been answered.

Once again, as of 1 Jan 2011, there is NO LCIS trade. Those who are LCIS techs will become ACISS CST's.

 

[emmsmama]

That question has already been answered.

My bad.  So the guys who are currently LCIS, are they going to get to pick which branch/sub-trade area they want to do or will they just be told what direction they are going to go?

 

[REDinstaller]

The state of positions is being hashed out right now. Look for most Cbt Arms units to be quite heavy CST

 

[Logan_Chisholm]

I'm not sure if this link has been posted or not, but it does have some valuable information for the new amalgamation that helped me see it a little more clearly.  I have been following this thread for a long time since I originally accepted the offer of LCIS while waiting for ATIS to re-open.  However since I was offered ATIS a little while ago and accepted that, this doesn't really pertain to me anymore.  It is still interesting however and I hope it helps shed some more light on the subject.
http://www.commelec.forces.gc.ca/inf/new-bul/vol51/article-08-eng.asp

Thank you for the link. It made everything much easier to understand.

 

[MilitantAtheist]

So was just choosen to be a LCIS Tech and will complete BMQ some time in the spring. My question is how does this effect me and other people going into the communications branch if not at all?

 

[Swingline1984]

So was just choosen to be a LCIS Tech and will complete BMQ some time in the spring. My question is how does this effect me and other people going into the communications branch if not at all?

Most of us currently serving in Sigs trades do not have the whole picture yet; or even know if we will be in the same trade box (related sub-occupation) when we come out the other side of the meat grinder.  How the system will manage the inflow of personnel recruited within the legacy trades, or where they put them after their initial training is anyone's guess.  Good luck!

Cheers,

 

[MilitantAtheist]

"Most of us currently serving in Sigs trades do not have the whole picture yet; or even know if we will be in the same trade box (related sub-occupation) when we come out the other side of the meat grinder.  How the system will manage the inflow of personnel recruited within the legacy trades, or where they put them after their initial training is anyone's guess.  Good luck!

Cheers,"

Thanks

Also I really doesn't matter to me. The extra training would be good and im not worried about where I go either. I know will be in good hands.

 

[PuckChaser]

For those that are looking for more information, the CFSCE DWAN site has quite a bit of powerpoints/briefing notes right from the first idea of MES. Go to the CFSCE site, then click on "CFSCE Sharepoint sites". On that page, there will be a MES labelled link with a green padlock. Should be able to access and read everything. The MES Managers will have a Sharepoint site up in the "near future" that will allow all C&E trade members effected by MES to input and justify their choice in trade (sub occ, or core).

One interesting thing I found was that the number of LSTs (aka Linemen) is pretty close to the same number of the current 052 trade. Anyone in the Line stream can request to move to another sub occupation if they feel they have the courses to fit in the new occupation.

Also stated (these are rough numbers) that 60% of LCIS will move to CST, and 40% to IST. Which means 60% of SigOps will stay ACISS Core, and 40% move to IST to populate the new sub occupation.

Spec pay is up in the air, no one knows if we will even get it, but any new members to the trades will not receive it until its approved by Treasury Board.

 

[REDinstaller]

Just had the MEZ brief yesterday in Edmonton. The IST sub-occ will be the last one formed due to the challenge of selections out of the LCIS and Sig Op trades. The sharepoint will be unlocked on 7 Sep 10, with a special e-mail sent through the DWAN to all known affected pers. Spec pay will remain the domain of LCIS Techs until TB decision on what group will receive it. It could be all, which is the wish of the Sub-occ directors, it could be only select sub-occs or no one. In the case of the latter, what will happen is all former LCIS QL5+ mbrs will continue to receive their current pay until promotion or IPCs take them past it.

 

[Sig_Des]

Just had the MEZ brief yesterday in Edmonton. The IST sub-occ will be the last one formed due to the challenge of selections out of the LCIS and Sig Op trades. The sharepoint will be unlocked on 7 Sep 10, with a special e-mail sent through the DWAN to all known affected pers. Spec pay will remain the domain of LCIS Techs until TB decision on what group will receive it. It could be all, which is the wish of the Sub-occ directors, it could be only select sub-occs or no one. In the case of the latter, what will happen is all former LCIS QL5+ mbrs will continue to receive their current pay until promotion or IPCs take them past it.

Yeah...fun brief, bit of a headshaker on some points.

 

[REDinstaller]

Makes you wonder what they were thinking.

 

[Sig_Des]

Makes you wonder what they were thinking.

Yup. I'm of the personal opinion that the same end-state could have been achieved by taking the Sig Op trade, splitting it between Operators and IS Specialists, and opening the new trade to members of the other C & E trades that would be interested.