Posted by
"John Gilmour" <[email protected]> on
Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:53:28 -0500
WELL STATED GUNNER !
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From: Gunner
To:
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Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: army-digest V1 69
>It‘s been awhile since I served the howitzers of **** , however, isn‘t
>the senior Regt of the senior corps in the Army, 1 RCHA of the Royal
>Regt of Canadian Artillery...when did you serve the Guns?
>
>One again, I disagree. You have not articulated any logical reason to
>prevent me or anyone else from stating my their opinion of the
>disbandment of the Airborne Regt. I think the disbandment was the right
>thing to do. How much of the hazing rituals do I have to I see to
>"misunderstand" what was going on? How much worse can the media make
>the tapes taken in Somalia?? Was Somalia an isolated incident within
>our military, no I wasn‘t. In modern history post WWII/Korea I would
>hope that Canadians would not take a prisoner and brutally beat and
>murder him yes, a real Kodak moment!. I can tell you it would not
>happen, would not be covered up, if I was in charge of that pl or coy or
>the bn. I hope I can speak for the Sr NCOs and WOs out there.
>
>The other Regt you refer to is, no doubt, the R22R, the teflon
>Regt...they were investigated and cleared of any wrong doing. As for
>the teflon part, I don‘t think so either unless you have proof.
>Anyone who doesn‘t think the Airborne had a strong lobby within the Army
>leading up to its disbandment is sadly mistaken.
>
>I agree it was only a few bad apples that created most of the problems,
>however, there was a problem in the Regt...Officers unable to command
>and NCOs that didnt‘ back up the officers and the men stuck in a
>machismo mystic that ran wild. True it is my perception, however, it is
>the perception of most of my peers, subordinates, superiors, and more
>importantly, The Canadian Public, who, by the way, is my ultimate
>Commander in Chief. All throught the 80s they were refered to as
>"animals". No, it wasn‘t an term of endearment. Oh sorry, we don‘t
>understand, we aren‘t qualified to make our own independent evaluation
>of the situation...it was all a misunderstanding based on those jealous
>of their "elite" status.
>
>Did the antimalaria drugs exasperate the situation? I don‘t necessarily
>disagree with one of the previous posts. Perhaps it was the straw that
>broke the camels back and it manifested itself with MCpl Matchee and Pte
>Brown. But I restate...where was the other Ptes, Cpls, and
>MCpls...where was the Sgt, WO, MWO, Capt, Maj and LCol? Were screams
>across the compound a routine thing? I‘m just a "leg" but the screams
>would peak my curiousity!
>
>Anyway, I think our debate could continue for an extremely long time. I
>may argue it was the right thing to do under the circumstances, but, no
>soldier should ever have to see his Regt disbanded. It was a sad
>chapter in the Canadian Army.
>
>Gunner Sends....
>
>
>
>Robert McGonigal wrote:
>>
>> Just a Reply to Mr. Lawson. It seems that we have a common ground when it
>> comes to Collenette and the hot air city group. Tri service was the
reason
>> I got out. To Gunner, if you didn‘t walk the walk, you‘ve got no say. If
>> all you did was a leg land tour then you missed out on probably the
>> greatest experience a man could have in the army. I‘m not talking form
>> experience because I served in the senior Regiment of the senior corps.If
>> all you‘ve heard about Somalia is from what you read and saw on TV, then
>> you didn‘t hear all of the story. Granted what happened was totally
>> disgusting but it was taken care of. If you believe half of what was
shown
>> on TV from 1 Commando, then you‘re very gullible. The media made it a
whole
>> lot worse than what it was. Do you think that Somalia was an isolated
>> incident in the history of our military? Ask guys that were present in
>> Cyprus during the 1st tour there. What about a certain Regiment, in the
>> last couple of years, that has presented a whole bunch of problems in
>> different theaters of UN deployment? You‘re right about it being
>> embarrassing to all of us who have served and are serving, but in my
>> opinion, you don‘t disband a Regiment because a few bad apples screwed up
>> royally. You take care of the immediate problem decisively and swiftly.
>> Obviously the higher ups at the time didn‘t have the smarts or the balls
to
>> do it, and therefore the responsibility lands in their laps for later
>> problems.You‘re right about the Airborne Regiment being gone and it won‘t
>> ever come back but the way it was done and the reasons they gave were
>> nothing but heifer dustpolite eh? I guess what I‘m saying is that you
>> better have a lot more facts than what you have, when you start making
>> statements like you have been. Regards
>>
>> R.D.Bob McGonigal VE3PJF,
>> 10330 Eastcourt Dr.,
>> Windsor, Ontario, N8R1E6, Canada
>> 1-519-735-2920
>> ICQ 1256855
>>
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