Basic in Esquimalt?

[uatemycookie]

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[uatemycookie]

Im from edmonton. I fly out on the 20th as well..

 

[R_J]

dalredane, you forgot the biggest annoyance in the Vic area- the VERY vocal minority peace-nik adopt-a-cause protesters at every corner.
That was the one thing I hated.

 

[nULL]

Minority? lol

 

[R_J]

null, I was convinced they were the majority until we did our parade for returning from roto 1 Croatia. We marched from Work Point to the Legislature. The streets had so many supporters along the entire route that I became sure that the military had a strong support base there. It‘s just that those same people don‘t have to live in a tree or wave stupid signs every couple days.

 

[dalredane]

You are correct about the peaceniks....where there are tall trees there will be tree huggers. Of course BC is the California of Canada, so we do get our fair share of riff-raff as you can quite comfortably live outdoors on the street year-round.
However I do feel we also have a high concentration of veterans as well which boosts our local profile and stature. Because of the climate, many of our old vets move here to retire.
Other posts are right...most of the peaceniks you see here are the same old ones at every protest, and also because we have a large university population which results in a large number of people marching to ideals and ideas as opposed to reality.

 

[GrahamD]

They have plenty of valid protests in Victoria. Not the least of which is the protest against tuition hikes that takes place every year.

 

[Infanteer]

They have plenty of valid protests in Victoria. Not the least of which is the protest against tuition hikes that takes place every year.

Because we shouldn‘t have to pay for anything in life, right. Let someone else pick up the tab.

 

[McInnes]

Well ya, nothing in life comes free. But cummon, most university kids are scraping to make a living as it is, living off KD and peanut butter sandwiches. Albeit, there are kids who dont work a job while going to university and do let others pick up the tab, but a lot of them need every last penny they can get.

 

[nULL]

Times may have changed since you last attended classes Infanteer...it‘s very difficult to get a job, a REAL job without a post-secondary education. Nobody benefits when an entire generation of students start "real" life with crippling student loans that they can‘t immediately pay back.

McInnes, could I mail you with some questions about the Canadian Scottish?

 

[McInnes]

Null, I‘ll PM you.

 

[GrahamD]

Because we shouldn‘t have to pay for anything in life, right. Let someone else pick up the tab.

The average debt owed by a post secondary graduate is $25,000. I know this figure because it was a secial interest story on the news 2 or 3 nights ago. This is after bursaries, scholarships, summer jobs, parental contributions, and loan and interest forgiveness.

Besides, what does protesting against tuition hikes have to do with someone else picking up the tab?

No one is asking for you or anyone else to pick up any tab. The schools charge more money every single year, not becasue they need too, but simply because they can. It‘s the hard working students who suffer for it in the end. The students who work two jobs, and still have to take out huge student loans, just to survive while they go to school. Many of whom are now being forced out of an education because the cost is getting so catastrophicaly high.

So the induviduals who have earned the marks to get in, and have worked their butts off to save money are being edged out by lesser students, who just happen to have rich parents.

I don‘t know know about you, but 20 years from now I‘d prefer to think I will be treated by a doctor who fought and earned their way through Med-School, than some spoiled rich kid who got passed through due to a lack of qualified students, and a doctor shortage.

If you listen very closely, on the day when your child comes to you to try and borrow enough money to pay for their degree, currently an average of $25,000 after all the breaks, and without a tuition freeze could possibly be $50,000 in 10-20 years, you will hear me laughing at you. Wherever you are, just give a little listen, and remember that you said this:

Because we shouldn‘t have to pay for anything in life, right. Let someone else pick up the tab.

 

[Infanteer]

Well ya, nothing in life comes free. But cummon, most university kids are scraping to make a living as it is, living off KD and peanut butter sandwiches. Albeit, there are kids who dont work a job while going to university and do let others pick up the tab, but a lot of them need every last penny they can get.

Don‘t give me a sissy sob story like that because its BS. I‘ve seen people scraping to get by, and trust me, most Canadian students have it easy.

Times may have changed since you last attended classes Infanteer...it‘s very difficult to get a job, a REAL job without a post-secondary education. Nobody benefits when an entire generation of students start "real" life with crippling student loans that they can‘t immediately pay back.

Well, since I last attended classes in April 02, please enlighten me to these dramatic changes that have occured in the last year to affect the life of the oppressed undergrad. I‘ve worked for my schooling, and I am doing fine.

The average debt owed by a post secondary graduate is $25,000. I know this figure because it was a secial interest story on the news 2 or 3 nights ago. This is after bursaries, scholarships, summer jobs, parental contributions, and loan and interest forgiveness.
Besides, what does protesting against tuition hikes have to do with someone else picking up the tab?
No one is asking for you or anyone else to pick up any tab. The schools charge more money every single year, not becasue they need too, but simply because they can. It‘s the hard working students who suffer for it in the end. The students who work two jobs, and still have to take out huge student loans, just to survive while they go to school. Many of whom are now being forced out of an education because the cost is getting so catastrophicaly high.

Boo-f**king-hoo. Canada has the highest amount of government subsidization towards post-secondary education. Everytime we b*tch about the military not getting enough cash, people say there is not enough for everyone to get their fill, so we have to tighten the belt. Same with education. We can‘t just expect the government (re: average Joe the Taxpayer) to provide us with a first class university because they don‘t have the resources. You get what you pay for. I have a friend who is quite capable of financing (on his own) a $12,000US a year engineering degree in the US, so Canadian students should consider themselves lucky.

If you listen very closely, on the day when your child comes to you to try and borrow enough money to pay for their degree, currently an average of $25,000 after all the breaks, and without a tuition freeze could possibly be $50,000 in 10-20 years, you will hear me laughing at you. Wherever you are, just give a little listen, and remember that you said this

You know what Graham, I‘d probably tell him to do what I did. Get a job, or maybe take a year off a spend it in some sh*thole country watching a*sholes prepare to murder their neighbours all over again.

could I mail you with some questions about the Canadian Scottish?

nULL, you want some info, PM me. I‘ve trained with the Scottish on occasion. My Roomie overseas was a CSCOT, and some of my good buds are NCOs in the Regiment.

 

[nULL]

OK, perhaps what I meant to say, was since you last attended classes and had no money in your account, perhaps back when you were "young". Granted, I have no idea how much you are worth but I can almost guarantee you right now, I‘ve got less. (As long as I can afford my rice though, I‘ll live)

 

[McInnes]

Don‘t give me a sissy sob story like that because its BS. I‘ve seen people scraping to get by, and trust me, most Canadian students have it easy.

Yes, that‘s absolutly true, Canadians do have it easy. I mean, an absolutly tremendous amount of people live with very little food, no stable/clean water source, no health care, and a home that does not exactly pass off for a house. Their cost of living is next to nothing as well I would suppose.
This is North America, as a whole, we are all better off than lets say, people in Africa. I was just saying that, out of the majority of Canadians that have gone to or are going to university, that I have spoken with, live below the average "Canadian Standard of Living". Yes, struggling to get by in Canada doesnt exactly mean struggling to survive, more like struggling to pay the bills, and dont really have anything to spare for niceties.

 

[Infanteer]

Yes, struggling to get by in Canada doesnt exactly mean struggling to survive, more like struggling to pay the bills, and dont really have anything to spare for niceties.

So whats your point. Are you saying that the average taxpayer should have more of his tax dollars go towards subsidizing post-secondary education so that Canadian students can have a DVD player and more beer money?

 

[McInnes]

My point is that university education should not be so expensive that the average person cannot afford it. Most universtiy students are struggling to get by. And you came back at that with a "Don‘t give me a sissy sob story like that because its BS. I‘ve seen people scraping to get by, and trust me, most Canadian students have it easy." Well yes, most Canadian students do have it easy compared to most people in third world countries. However, they do not have it easy compared with the average Canadian.

 

[GrahamD]

So whats your point. Are you saying that the average taxpayer should have more of his tax dollars go towards subsidizing post-secondary education so that Canadian students can have a DVD player and more beer money?

The point is that universities need to stop increasing tuition every single year. It‘s begining to cost too much. It‘s not neccessary, they aren‘t lacking for money. They are simply charging extra money year after year because the government hasn‘t told them to stop yet. Thats why they protest every year. It‘s the universities that are causing you to lose your precious tax dollars (and mine, and everybody elses too).

I already made the point, but you said that its BS and that Canadian students have it easy, and that they are more heavily subsidised than anyone else. None of which is relevant to the fact that universities are charging way too much money, and that they increase tuition costs every year, simply because they feel like it.

I suspect you hold a grudge toward students in general though, because you act as though none of them already do take a year or two off of school to save money. It seems that you believe no one does join up with the military as an alternate means to paying for school. And to generalise about students saying that they would spend the money on a DVD player and beer, is just simply unfair, and not at all insightful.

Sure you see lots of kids in flashy clothes drinking in pubs in the university towns, throwing away money, going on ski trips, having dorm rooms packed with expensive toys. Thats because we are already in the middle of an elitist take-over of post secondary education. Those kids that you see living that life, are kids who are lucky enough to have rich parents, or who are spoiled enough they don‘t realise the sacrifices their parents made to get them there.

Those that pay their own way have neither the time nor the money to go out drinking, or skiing, or clothes shopping. They are lucky if they have enough to go rent a movie and buy some microwave popcorn on a Saturday night. Besdides, they wouldn‘t want to be hung over when they go into work on Sunday morning. I know because I lived with university students for 6 years, student from both sides of the money line.

I think that maybe the point you are trying to make is that you resent the fact that you see many university students living a more extravagant lifestyle, than most of the rest of us can even afford with full time jobs. I‘m making the point that the reason you see university students living like that, is becasue their parents are rich. Those students who are paying for themselves are living like cave people studying, working, sleeping, and stressing out because they are still short on last months rent.

 

[MP 811]

Astounding folks........how did this break down into protests and how poor students are.......education......yadda yadda? The question was actually quite simple, what is Esquimalt like. Being posted there I can tell you that I loved the place. Being from Ontario, I thought that I would be taking a chance asking to be posted there, but i‘ve thoroughly enjoyed my time in Esquimalt.I had no friends and no family there when I first arrived, but I quickly became friends with alot of people, both civilian and military. Now that i‘m no longer posted there I can truly say that I miss Esquimalt.

There‘s a plain and simple answer for you

 

[uatemycookie]

just checking how many people on here are going on the same BMQ as me?? its at esquimalt from sept 22 - dec 1.. :cam: