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Bob Rae may be running for Liberal Leadership....

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Rae's pitch: Let's unite the left
Former Ontario NDP premier says he'll soon decide on Liberal leadership bid

CAMPBELL CLARK

With a report from Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- Former Ontario NDP premier Bob Rae cast his first public -- but unofficial -- pitch for the federal Liberal leadership yesterday, suggesting that Canada's progressives must consider joining together to win a majority in the Commons.

Although he said he has not decided whether he will run to succeed former leader Paul Martin, Mr. Rae told a Winnipeg audience he is considering a bid and will "have a decision to make about that over the next while."

But he told reporters he is worried about "what a Harper majority government would do" and suggested that it is time to unite the left in Canada to win power.

"I think it's important for people who call themselves progressive to really think about the situation.

"There's a progressive record that's shared by a majority of Canadians, but so far, we have not succeeded in becoming a majority in the House of Commons, so we must think a bit about how that can happen."

The pitch might appeal to some Liberals who feel they lost the last election because New Democratic Party voters refused to rally behind Mr. Martin when the Conservatives were heading toward victory. It also might upset diehard New Democrats.

Mr. Rae may face a difficult time convincing Liberals he is the man to deliver the pitch as their new leader, however. Many Liberals remember with distaste his tenure as NDP premier from 1990 to 1995, and he has never been an active Liberal.

But senior Liberals say Mr. Rae has essentially decided he wants to run and now must determine his chances of winning.

In his speech to Winnipeg's Canadian Club yesterday, he suggested he has become more attuned to the need to expand the economy, and argued education and learning is the key.

"We do not have time for an agenda which says, we can take the pie for granted, all we have to do is decide how to divide it up. What we have to recognize as a country is that the key to our future lies, above all, in the space between our ears."

He also argued against one-off deals between Ottawa and individual provinces and suggested the federal government cannot simply send its money to the provinces to spend.

"If the federal government just becomes a cheque-clearing service for the provinces, then we won't have that much left to really build a strong and united Canada."

Mr. Rae has built a core group of supporters, drawn in part from the inner circle of former prime minister Jean Chrétien, and perhaps more surprisingly, from the ranks of provincial Liberals in Ontario -- once Mr. Rae's opposition.

The links to Mr. Chrétien come through his brother, John Rae, the hard-knuckled Power Corp. executive who ran Mr. Chrétien's election campaigns; and Eddie Goldenberg, Mr. Chrétien's long-time senior adviser and a friend of Bob Rae since both went to university in Europe in the 1960s.

But veteran Liberal insiders say that at Queen's Park, Mr. Rae also has the support of two senior politicians with networks they have already started to mobilize on his behalf: Health Minister George Smitherman and former finance minister Greg Sorbara.

Although Mr. Sorbara was forced to resign from the provincial cabinet in October after he was named in a search warrant for an RCMP probe into Royal Group Technologies Inc. -- he insists he is innocent -- he has an extensive and powerful network in the Ontario Liberal Party.

"He's got tentacles, he's got a network," said a senior federal Liberal.

Mr. Sorbara said yesterday that he is a Rae-booster, even though he sat in opposition to the government that Mr. Rae led.

"I think the most important thing is his evolution between 1995 and 2006," Mr. Sorbara said, arguing that Mr. Rae is now an advocate for the "extreme centre."

The support of Ontario Liberals for a former NDP premier is perhaps more unusual because one of their own, Education Minister Gerard Kennedy, is still being touted as a possible contender for the federal Liberal crown.

"If he is in the race, [Mr. Kennedy] will be the guy to beat, because he brings more to the table than any other candidate," argued Senator Terry Mercer, former national director of the Liberal Party and a Chrétien loyalist.

He said Mr. Kennedy is a bilingual standard-bearer for the "progressive" wing of the party, and is drawing calls of support not just from Ontario but from B.C. and Alberta.
 
Sorry. He was given a chance in Ontario and he just about bankrupted us, turning the province into a rudderless ship. He's goofy as Layton, and will always be a Socialist. If the Liberals choose him, they'll be putting the gun in their mouths themselves. Might not be a bad thing after all. Two birds and all that. He's another Power Corporation cronie as well.
 
But Liberals love socialists...

What party did Trudeau belong to before he became leader of the Liberals?

Rae will make a good liberal leader...great for the country...in opposition.
 
It would be interesting to see how Ontario's electorate would welcome this. I mean, Ontario is a fed  Lib stronghold, yet I don't think anyone forgets what that man did here as premier under the tree hugg.. I mean the provincial NDP. :crybaby:
 
I think ON would rather see Harper stay then let Ray back in.  If the Liberals can't take ON there is no real chance for them to lead the next gov't.
 
I know I personally would not support a Liberal Party with Bob Rae as leader - he was in power when we were first posted to Ontario from Nova Scotia - it was quite the shock.

National Rae Days ... imagine....
 
National Rae days....that's a great idea. Can you imagine a few long weekends in every month of the year...well I guess the loss of pay isn't so great  either. Can't have it both ways I guess. ;)
 
Glorified Ape said:
::) That's why Paul Martin was a fiscal conservative.

So is 'fiscal conservative' what we're calling the thieves that steal 60% of your working wage nowdays?
 
"I think it's important for people who call themselves progressive to really think about the situation."

- Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Che (not OUR Che, the real one), Lenin...
 
Maybe Rae just wants to replace the big red lieberal book with Chairman Mao's Little Red Book. Both are full of unkept promises.
 
recceguy said:
So is 'fiscal conservative' what we're calling the thieves that steal 60% of your working wage nowdays?

Depends on their taxation policies.

TCBF said:
"I think it's important for people who call themselves progressive to really think about the situation."

- Mao, Stalin, Fidel, Che (not OUR Che, the real one), Lenin...

Ghandi, Washington, Lincoln, MLK Jr., Kennedy (John & Bobby), Mandela...
 
The picture of Jack Layton and Bob Rae going at it in a leadership debate is mind boggling: they will literally be arguing over which party has the better shade of red.

Prime Minister Harper surly has far more political skill than his enemies give him credit for (uniting the Conservatives at last; making the breakthrough in Quebec are the two most impressive achievements), perhaps he is engineering this to get a majority government in the next election, so Lefties can split their votes between the Rae Liberals, the NDP and Green Parties  ;)

As a BTW for Glorified Ape; if making spending pledges amounting to over $20 billion dollars in just a few weeks is being a "Fiscal Conservative", then the term has no meaning. I prefer to look at actions and results, not Liberal press releases and marketing. As for "Depends on their tax policies", the Martin policy since @1994 was "escalate", which also doesn't fall into the Conservative world view as the universal pallative for economic development (Just look south for what happens when taxes are lowered). Frankly, the pattern of your posts resemble's Alice in Wonderland; where your words mean "exactly what I want them to mean", and certainly don't reflect the reality just outside the window.
 
"Ghandi, Washington, Lincoln, MLK Jr., Kennedy (John & Bobby), Mandela... "

- Hey GA, more people have been shot on your list then mine!

;D

Tom
 
Glorified Ape said:
::) That's why Paul Martin was a fiscal conservative.

So was Tommy Douglas, and he was the first leader of the NDP...People are fiscally conservative because it wins elections.

Its how and why they implement social changes that makes them socialist....for the public.
 
I think the Libs should go for Rae. It will ensure a Conservative majority in the next go round and hopefully the Cons support for the military will be able to be fully implemented in a full 5 year majority mandate....Go Libs lol ;D
 
Oh yeah National Rae Days for all Fed employees including deployed military I can just see it now.

"Sorry guys no ops today everyone stays in the base without pay, Someone send a memo to the Taliban asking to leave us alone until Monday" ::)

Well if anything could get the citizens of Ontario to vote Harper a massive majority, Bob Rae as head of the liberals would be it, we're dumb but even we remember how bad he was. Bonus points for watching Smiling Jack Patron Saint of the Sound Bite  have a stroke if it was to happen. ;D
 
a_majoor said:
As a BTW for Glorified Ape; if making spending pledges amounting to over $20 billion dollars in just a few weeks is being a "Fiscal Conservative", then the term has no meaning. I prefer to look at actions and results, not Liberal press releases and marketing. As for "Depends on their tax policies", the Martin policy since @1994 was "escalate", which also doesn't fall into the Conservative world view as the universal pallative for economic development (Just look south for what happens when taxes are lowered). Frankly, the pattern of your posts resemble's Alice in Wonderland; where your words mean "exactly what I want them to mean", and certainly don't reflect the reality just outside the window.

This coming from the guy that identifies trends in history that suggest exactly what he wants to believe based on little other than that want.

You're correct insofar as I did make a mistake, though - it wasn't his tax policy earned him the fiscal conservative title, it was his budget and debt approach. I stand corrected. That being said, the only time Martin actually ran for PM, he did it on a platform of reducing taxation, particularly corporate taxation. He's like Bush, but in reverse - high taxes with balanced budgets and reduced debt, whereas Bush has high debt and lopsided budgets with lower taxation. 

TCBF said:
"Ghandi, Washington, Lincoln, MLK Jr., Kennedy (John & Bobby), Mandela... "

- Hey GA, more people have been shot on your list then mine!

;D

Tom

Yeah, the good ones always seem to get shot.
 
Interesting article, the identified "front runners" or at least the ones with a name brand are Rae, Stronach and Ignatieff.

In a way, this is the inverse of the Emerson issue for Mr Harper, none of these people are Liberals except in name, and possibly expect the same sort of treatment people in Mr Emmerson's riding claim to want; vote for the party, regardless of who is actually running. If the Liberals die because of this I won't be very upset, at least a Conservative/NDP division brings everything into sharp relief. The growth of other left wing parties like the Greens only cements the outcome, vote will be split on the Left, not the Right.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142722231745&call_pageid=970599119419
 
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