Body Armour and CCB

[jmackenzie_15]

What exactly IS the effectiveness of these ballistic vests they give us anyhow? ive heard that they would stop 9mm, others said all the way up to a 7.62 which i hardly find beleivable.How much punishment can these things take?

secondly, (I'm in the reserves, and one of the first reserve units to be taught urban combat/room clearing drills etc). Anyway, the guy that taught us, a Sgt.Albert i think his name was from PPCLI, told us to stand squared off to the target, to ensure that if you are hit with a round, its much more likely to hit you in the chest where your protected as opposed to the side where you arent (Regular firing position would leave you side exposed.)

Engaging targets and maneuvering in this what he called the iscosoles position (sp) would be awkward, you would make up a much bigger sillhouette and its alost more difficult to fire.Is this really necessary if these plates will even stop 7.62 rounds from an AK anyway?and i think i would rather not sacrafice my speed and manueverability at a time when it is most crucial.Again, a Sgt.Landry who in february returned to us from Op.Athena, and he told us what they guy said was crap and taught us a totally different way.Then theres the way the yankees at for pickett told us last year, which is even more different.  ???

 

[Fusaki]

Here, check out:

http://army.ca/forums/threads/20896.0.html

As well jmackenzie_15, check your PMs.

 

[zerhash]

lol if you ever find yourself squared off in plain view of the enemy you are wrong

cover is the key and proper cover will allow the plates to be used to their greatest effectiveness

 

[HollywoodHitman]

The first thing that should be said about this type of warfare is that there are many different ways to approach it. Squaring off to a target will ensure a stable firing platform (provided you are holding your weapon appropriately for this stance) as well as provide the ballistic plates with the most coverage of your vital organs. For those out there who would ask "what about the femoral artery and whatnot?", well I guess that would all depend on your armour now wouldnt it?  There are ways to minimize your target area while firing and moving this way. You might also want to determine what your objective is as well. If you are going to move down a hallway or into a room, you want to be as stable as you can be while maintaining your arcs and areas of responsibility. Ghostwalk is correct in saying that the stance mentioned is useful indoors and that the weapon be positioned through the center of the body. Another thing to keep in mind with this type of stance is that it is much easier to maintain with a short barreled weapon such as the C8 or MP5 as they're lighter and can be maneouvered much easier in a confined space.

I'd be careful in saying there is only one way to do things. I have never fired a shot in anger, however during training with WES and whatnot, you will find that there are a few methods better than others and at the end of the day you will go with whatever tactics are being adopted by your organisation.

I think before saying one method is crap or someone is full of it as far as tactics go, we might want to qualify the experiences we've had as far as the training and SMExepertise goes. I've been taught things by different generations of soldiers, from different armies who all have their sets of differing opinions and methods. My attitude towards their 'suggestions' are to take them and file them away for a time when they might be useful so me and my guys might win a fight.

There is no one way to wage warfare and what has always made the Canadian soldier great is his ability to adapt to different fighting styles. The enemy can't adopt concrete Canadian Doctrine per se because we've never really had one, have we?? We can keep 'em guessing.

 

[zerhash]

Good points hollywood!

There is no one way to wage warfare and what has always made the Canadian soldier great is his ability to adapt to different fighting styles. The enemy can't adopt concrete Canadian Doctrine per se because we've never really had one, have we?? We can keep 'em guessing.

Adapt and overcome!