Boeing to offer P-8 as CP-140 Replacement

[Eye In The Sky]

Depends if you're expecting LOS, BLOS, etc.

A combo?

Physical range/combat radius might mean you don't need to deploy from ships - an MQ-9 flew from Grand Forks ND to 78N, circled around a bit, and returned for a 25.5h mission last Sep. Granted its endurance will be lower with weapons, etc but still probably enough to deploy from the same bases as the associated MPA.

The MQ-25 Stingray expects to have their pilots on the carrier in OSINT articles. However, with BLOS, they could be anywhere.

In theory, a RPA could remain ONSTA for 2+ MPA missions. I suspect the CONOPs would be very similar to an 'overland' sortie. Launch Recover crew/mission crew that takes control/hands over control at "point X".

The "short deck" idea would extent the MPA and, possibly, allow for them to be used without an MPA.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Something like the MQ-9B SeaGuardian?

Yes, except that would need to be Canadianized. Can't just take something that will work/works now and you know..."use it".

 

[Ping Monkey]

Something like the MQ-9B SeaGuardian?

Very cool to see this capability quickly maturing.

Should also be interesting to see it fully integrated into the RIMPAC Task Groups this summer!

Japan selects MQ-9B SeaGuardian for Coast Guard RPAS project - Naval News

General Atomics's MQ-9B SeaGuardian is selected to support the Japan Coast Guard’s (JCG) RPAS (Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems) Project.

www.navalnews.com

 

[dimsum]

Should be interesting to see it fully integrated into the RIMPAC Task Groups this summer!

Interesting.

 

[Ping Monkey]

Interesting.

Indeed.

OS news is limited, but I'm inclined to buy myself a ticket to Hawaii this summer to cheer on my GA colleagues.

SeaGuardian: Cost Effective Surveillance for the Vast Maritime Domain

The MQ-9B SeaGuardian has changed the game in maritime domain awareness. It’s the first unmanned aerial system of its kind that can search the ocean surface and the depths in support of naval intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

www.ga-asi.com

RIMPAC 22 will also be the first time a SeaGuardian will be fully integrated with a Fleet Command Center through the secure SIPRNET and Joint Range Extension Protocol (IP based) to pass classified tracks.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Obviously, I need to get my DLN courses finished up so I can keep up to speed on some of this stuff. I had no idea it was this far along, and this capable.

MQ-9B Archives - Naval News

www.navalnews.com

There's a decent video piece in the Day 2 at Sea Air Space video.

200nm range, 360 RADAR? MX-15? 10 A-size/pod. I wonder what the max # Gs is.m Anti/de-ice? Pretty impressive. This would be an extremely interesting project to be on/Sqn to be on once operational.

It's great to see this tech maturing. It's equally sad to know, if the RCAF ever sees kit like this, I'll be squinting at it on a screen from the old folks home.

 

[Good2Golf]

That definition of IOC leaves a lot of room for PMs to maneuver. It is not something tangible that can be practically applied to every project have have consistent timelines come from it. How that definition is applied differs from project to project.

Particularly in large projects with significant CISOE, IOC can be well into equipment delivery, training development and implementation and other aspects.

So, for example, new aircraft requiring new facilities and changes to airfields may have quite late IOC dates due to time lags in preparing and sequencing construction.

Be that as it may, the point remains that IOC, per se, is a defined term in DND’s Project Approval Process, and of course each project staff must apply the specifics of their own project to parse
The definition into something that TB (or the MND if appropriate) will accept for PA(Def)/PA(Imp).

 

[OceanBonfire]

Team Poseidon, consisting of CAE, GE Aviation Canada, IMP Aerospace & Defence, KF Aerospace, Honeywell Aerospace Canada and Raytheon Canada:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532043438023229443

Boeing Teams with Canadian Industry to Offer P-8A Poseidon

OTTAWA, Ontario, June 1, 2022 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] and several Canadian industry partners announced today their intent to collaborate to provide the capability and sustainability of the proven...

boeing.mediaroom.com

 

[suffolkowner]

Team Poseidon, consisting of CAE, GE Aviation Canada, IMP Aerospace & Defence, KF Aerospace, Honeywell Aerospace Canada and Raytheon Canada:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532043438023229443

Boeing Teams with Canadian Industry to Offer P-8A Poseidon

OTTAWA, Ontario, June 1, 2022 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] and several Canadian industry partners announced today their intent to collaborate to provide the capability and sustainability of the proven...

boeing.mediaroom.com

Did they leave anyone out to partner up with a mystery competitor?

 

[dimsum]

Team Poseidon, consisting of CAE, GE Aviation Canada, IMP Aerospace & Defence, KF Aerospace, Honeywell Aerospace Canada and Raytheon Canada:

An LRP bidder with IMP as a partner?

Looks like we know what we're getting to replace the Aurora

 

[dapaterson]

Late and over budget if they're running true to form.

 

[dimsum]

Late and over budget if they're running true to form.

I didn't want to state the obvious.

 

[FSTO]

Reading the latest MMA presentation. Is Canada now past the point of being able to order P8's? Or is Boeing being nice and waiting for a decision?


Boeing to GoC

 

[MTShaw]

Reading the latest MMA presentation. Is Canada now past the point of being able to order P8's? Or is Boeing being nice and waiting for a decision?


Boeing to GoC

Where can I read this?

 

[dapaterson]

I suspect Boeing, in looking at the current world situation, may well be extending their shutdown date.

As I recall (and can't find an article right now) the current "last chance to order" falls somewhere in mid/late 2023.

 

[FSTO]

Where can I read this?

Its on the DWAN. Defence Services Programs Portal

 

[dapaterson]

Some info on CMMA at: Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft - Defence Capabilities Blueprint

If the project does enter Definition phase in 23/24 as noted above, that would line up well with Boeings current schedule.

(For those unfamiliar, Capital projects in Defence follow five phases: Identification; Options Analysis; Definition; Implementation and Close Out.

 

[Spencer100]

Some info on CMMA at: Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft - Defence Capabilities Blueprint

If the project does enter Definition phase in 23/24 as noted above, that would line up well with Boeings current schedule.

(For those unfamiliar, Capital projects in Defence follow five phases: Identification; Options Analysis; Definition; Implementation and Close Out.

It will be the waiting game. Can Boeing out wait the Government? Or can Government out wait Boeing?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Reading the latest MMA presentation. Is Canada now past the point of being able to order P8's?

I’m going to say “no”. I’ll wait for official information from the GoC/DND/CAF though…

There’s obviously chatter in the Sqn lines about this one but…I’m not wanting to end up in front of the Sqn Boss for repeating said chatter on here, social media etc.

 

[Good2Golf]

Is Canada now past the point of being able to order P8's?

Not if Uncle Sam says they aren’t….