Bringing 'Em Back or Not? (I.D.'ed Cdn ISIS fighters, families, kids?)

[Cloud Cover]

Sounds like hell on earth for the living   

 

[The Bread Guy]

Sounds like hell on earth for the living 

Some'll say "play with the bull, expect some horn," while others'll say, "good place to create more of these guys, especially if they can buy their way out to do bad shit elsewhere."  #FarFromEasySolutions

 

[Czech_pivo]

Some'll say "play with the bull, expect some horn," while others'll say, "good place to create more of these guys, especially if they can buy their way out to do bad crap elsewhere."  #FarFromEasySolutions

If we could only ask the dead that were killed by these people, or their husbands/sons/brothers/fathers, if they'd be willing to trade places with them....

 

[The Bread Guy]

This from the U.S. ...

U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday renewed threats to dump captured Islamic State fighters on Europe's doorstep if countries there continue to refuse to take back all their foreign fighters.

Trump said he was continuing with plans to draw down forces in Syria, saying the U.S. had done the world a big favor by eliminating the terror group's self-declared caliphate and that it was time for other countries to step up.

"We're asking them to take back these prisoners of war," Trump told reporters during a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison in the Oval Office at the White House.

"They've refused," he added. "And at some point I'm going to have to say, 'I'm sorry, but you're either taking them back or we're going to let them go at your border.' " ...

 

[FJAG]

This from the U.S. ...

As usual one has simplistic ideas coming from this man. Firstly they aren't Prisoners of War since they were never lawful combatants of a specific nation that is a party to the hostilities. Lawful combatants are entitled to return to the country that essentially recruited and controlled them during the hostilities. That doesn't exist here.

These are, at best, vagabond mercenaries that did not fight for a country but for an ideology and as such are criminals within the country where their crimes took place. Quite frankly Syria or Iraq are the countries with the greatest interest and legal status to try and punish these folks. That's a different problem, however. To try to foist this off on European nations just because these morons were born there or lived there for a while is irrational.

:cheers:

 

[The Bread Guy]

... To try to foist this off on European nations just because these morons were born there or lived there for a while is irrational.

Not just on European nations, let's not forget ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

We'll see ...

Key Takeaway: The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) is preparing to free its loyal fighters and followers from prisons and displacement camps across Syria and Iraq. ISIS Emir Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi signaled the start of this campaign in a speech released on September 16, 2019, in which he called on his fighters to liberate prisoners and save women in displacement camps. The Al-Hawl Camp in Northern Syria represents a particular risk. ISIS is already active in Al-Hawl Camp. It has been fundraising in the camp via encrypted channels (such as Telegram) since at least June 2019. It is likely organizing similar activity in other displacement camps in Iraq and Syria.

More @ link

 

[The Bread Guy]

Fine - enjoy your current accomodations, then ....

Before he was captured by Syrian Kurdish forces in February, Canadian Mohammed Khalifa went from being a cog in the ranks of ISIS to its English language voice.   

Khalifa, 35, who goes by his ISIS nom de guerre Abu Ridwan, says he would like to return to Canada provided he can bring his non-Canadian wife and their three children.

"This area is no doubt a dangerous area. I'd want to take my family out of there," Abu Ridwan told The Fifth Estate in an interview from a prison in northern Syria.

But if his return means he will likely face justice in a Canadian court, Abu Ridwan said he would rather remain locked up where he is.

"In terms of going back to be judged, then no." ...

Some of his previous material attached (source).

 

[Jarnhamar]

Khalifa, 35, who goes by his ISIS nom de guerre Abu Ridwan, says he would like to return to Canada provided he can bring his non-Canadian wife and their three children.

"This area is no doubt a dangerous area. I'd want to take my family out of there," Abu Ridwan told The Fifth Estate in an interview from a prison in northern Syria.

But if his return means he will likely face justice in a Canadian court, Abu Ridwan said he would rather remain locked up where he is.

"In terms of going back to be judged, then no." ...

Why not ask for a few million dollars to help reintegrate into Canadian life while he's at it lol

 

[The Bread Guy]

Australia's take ...

The Morrison government is in no rush to repatriate 66 Australian women and children trapped in the al-Hawl camp in Syria.

The security situation in the camp has dramatically deteriorated in the past 48 hours, with Islamic State supporters opening fire at guards.

The foreign minister says the Australians, most of them under five, are in a complex situation.

"The repatriation of any people in Syria in those contexts at the moment is very, very difficult," Marise Payne told ABC radio on Wednesday.

"It's complicated by the fact the area is highly dangerous and unstable."

Senator Payne said the Australian government would weigh each case individually.

"As far as individuals are concerned and in some cases families, we are assessing each of those cases on their merits, but our first duty is of course to protect Australia and Australians," she said.

"We are talking about people who may have been involved in supporting terrorism, may have fought with terrorists in Syria and Iraq, and that does pose a threat to the safety of Australia and Australians

"I think the Australian population would expect us to make our assessments of each case on its own merits."

 

[Jarnhamar]

The Morrison government is in no rush to repatriate 66 Australian women and children trapped in the al-Hawl camp in Syria.

The security situation in the camp has dramatically deteriorated in the past 48 hours, with Islamic State supporters opening fire at guards .

ISIS probably just wants their wives and kids back.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, from U.S. Central Command (source) ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Given the overlap, merged the "Cdn ISIS fighters ID'ed" and "Bringing families back" threads.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Find a deserted Island that can sustain life, dump them there, float supplies in once a year and they can have their little caliphate.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, back in one of the Kurdish-run camps that is in place …

America’s Syrian Kurdish allies are at risk of losing control of the vast camp where the families of the Islamic State’s defeated fighters are being detained as militant women increasingly assert their dominance over the camp, according to the top Kurdish military commander.

Guards at the al-Hol camp in eastern Syria are failing to contain the increasingly violent behavior of some of the residents, and the flimsy perimeter is at risk of being breached unless the international community steps in with more assistance, said the head of the Syrian Democratic Forces, Gen. Mazloum Kobane, who uses a nom de guerre and is known simply as Mazloum.

“There is a serious risk in al-Hol. Right now, our people are able to guard it. But because we lack resources, Daesh are regrouping and reorganizing in the camp,” he said, using the Arab acronym for the Islamic State. “We can’t control them 100 percent, and the situation is grave.”

The al-Hol internment camp in eastern Syria houses around 70,000 people, most of them women and children who were displaced by the war against the Islamic State. A majority of those are ordinary civilians caught up in the fighting who have no relationship to the militants, and over half are children.

But as many as 30,000 are Islamic State loyalists, including the most die-hard radicals who chose to remain in the dwindling caliphate until the final battle for the village of Baghouz earlier this year, Mazloum said in a telephone interview from his headquarters in the Syrian province of Hasakah.

Around 10,000 of those are foreigners from over 40 countries who made the journey to join the Islamic State in Syria, and they are among the most fiercely committed extremists, according to camp officials ...

 

[Remius]

Find a deserted Island that can sustain life, dump them there, float supplies in once a year and they can have their little caliphate.

Isn't that how they created Australia?

Plenty of islands in the Arctic. 

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I was thinking more Pitcairn Island

 

[Remius]

I was thinking more Pitcairn Island

The weather is too nice.  In the Arctic you lose the will to fight due to having to spend your time surviving.

 

[ModlrMike]

They were able to make their way there without our assistance, they can make their own way back. Whatever happens, happens. They should have done better risk analysis.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Which I think is the CPC plan of action, if you show up on our border, we arrest you.