Bringing 'Em Back or Not? (I.D.'ed Cdn ISIS fighters, families, kids?)

[Kat Stevens]

Yup, the government is obligated only to do certain things. They are obligated to provide consular services, but they aren’t obligated to provide legal assistance. They’re obligated to provide emergency travel documents; they aren’t obligated to get them a flight.

The government will be able to effectively forsake some of them, and that will work.

That still leaves the necessity of having a plan for those who manage to make it back. At some point the Kurds, Turks, Syrians, whomever are going to just start putting some of these assholes on planes and making them our problem. Then we’re right back at square one... “what we know” vs “what we can prove in a court of law”...

"Welcome home. Kneel down facing the ditch. Now, smile and wait for the flash".

 

[brihard]

"Welcome home. Kneel down facing the ditch. Now, smile and wait for the flash".

Yeah... That’s the tough thing about not being ISIS. You don’t get to be ISIS.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Yeah... That’s the tough thing about not being ISIS. You don’t get to be ISIS.

Yeah... That's the tough thing about jokes, not everyone understands it's a joke.

 

[brihard]

Yeah... That's the tough thing about jokes, not everyone understands it's a joke.

I know you weren’t being serious. And believe me, I get the sentiment. My comment was with a healthy heaping of irony. Being the good guys constrains us more than we would sometimes like. *shrug* It is what it is.

 

[Good2Golf]

I know you weren’t being serious. And believe me, I get the sentiment. My comment was with a healthy heaping of irony. Being the good guys constrains us more than we would sometimes like. *shrug* It is what it is.

...although it certainly does make Canada a much nicer place to live/come home to. :nod:

Regards
G2G

 

[The Bread Guy]

Yeah... That’s the tough thing about not being ISIS. You don’t get to be ISIS.

Or, sarcasm/jokes/irony aside, put another way ...

 

[Kat Stevens]

Because if you kill your enemy, he wins, or something?  8)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Because if you kill your enemy, he wins, or something?  8)

Hey, I agree that life would be simpler if bad guys met their destiny on foreign battlefields, but the system we got is the system we got, warts & all. 

As I've said before, if this stuff was easy, other governments with WAY more of an appetite to deal with this would have dealt with it more quickly and more harshly -- and no, that's not blaming past management, that's just showing the bigger picture for context

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Hey, I agree that life would be simpler if bad guys met their destiny on foreign battlefields, but the system we got is the system we got, warts & all. 

As I've said before, if this stuff was easy, other governments with WAY more of an appetite to deal with this would have dealt with it more quickly and more harshly -- and no, that's not blaming past management, that's just showing the bigger picture for context

So, speaking hypothetically of course, Britain giving the SAS a hit list and saying, "These people are not to make it home" type of thing?

 

[The Bread Guy]

So, speaking hypothetically of course, Britain giving the SAS a hit list and saying, "These people are not to make it home" type of thing?

Woulda, coulda, shoulda @ this point -- since folks are alive & in someone's custody, the legal cards we're dealt are the cards we have to play.  And it appears to be a difficult hand so far ...

 

[brihard]

So, speaking hypothetically of course, Britain giving the SAS a hit list and saying, "These people are not to make it home" type of thing?

I suspect that we’re most of us in violent agreement on this. A Daesh financier, propagandist, communications specialist, mechanic, or munitions tech is as fair game in the theatre of operations as a service battalion laager would be in conventional war. If bearded dudes with cool helmets smoke the target better than a JDAM or fire mission- battery, go nuts.

The Brits, et al, made a sound policy decision on this.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda @ this point -- since folks are alive & in someone's custody, the legal cards we're dealt are the cards we have to play.  And it appears to be a difficult hand so far ...

Unfortunately, yup.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The latest ...

• 2 Aug 2019: "Online ISIS supporter deemed a danger to Canada ordered released from custody"
• 4 Aug 2019:  "Federal Court halts release of alleged online ISIS supporter"

A bit more …

Canadians will be “put at risk” if alleged ISIS supporter Othman Ayad Hamdan is released from immigration detention in British Columbia, officials argued in an application filed in the Federal Court.

There is “clear and compelling evidence that irreparable harm will occur” if Hamdan is released and it is “in the public interest” to continue his detention, according to the document.

The government submitted the 21-page memorandum to the court in Vancouver after the Immigration and Refugee Board last week ordered officials to free Hamdan on 25 conditions.

The release conditions imposed by IRB member Geoff Rempel — which include a $2,000 bond and an internet ban — “fall well short of mitigating the danger to the public,” the officials argued.

“The terms and conditions imposed by the member simply do not manage, or mitigate, the risk of release. The safety of the Canadian public will be put at risk if the stay is not granted.”

The submission also complained that Rempel had ordered Hamdan to live in Enderby, B.C., “despite the fact that Enderby is an 84 minute [sic] drive from the Revelstoke Dam, which the respondent had identified as an infrastructure target.”

A hearing has been scheduled for Monday, Aug. 12 to decide whether Hamdan, 37, should remain in custody while the government appeals his release order ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Elsewhere …

Children of British Isis members stranded in Syria will not be allowed to return to the UK, the government has reportedly decided.

At least 30 British children are currently being held with their mothers in camps in northern Syria, after being detained as they fled the crumbling Isis caliphate.

The government has been under pressure to bring them home from the dangerous and overcrowded camps, both from local Syrian authorities and from the Trump administration. Earlier this year the infant son of Shamima Begum, the teenager who fled her home in Bethnal Green to join Isis, died weeks after arriving at one of the facilities.

The former foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt had said following the death that the government was working with the then international development secretary, Penny Mordaunt, on whether the children could be safely returned.

But Sajid Javid, the former home secretary, concluded after a review that it would be too dangerous to send officials to retrieve the children from Syria, according to The Times – despite the camps being regularly visited by British aid workers and journalists ...

 

[FJAG]

Jihadi Jack now Canada's problem as Britain strips him of his UK citizenship.

ISIS fighter Jihadi Jack is stripped of his UK passport sparking furious diplomatic row with Canada where he has joint citizenship
EXCLUSIVE: Jihadi Jack, an IS fighter, has been stripped of his British citizenship
Muslim convert Jack Letts, 24, fled his Oxfordshire home to fight in Syria
Move has sparked a row between the UK and Canada, as he is a dual citizen
By HARRY COLE FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDA

The IS fighter known as Jihadi Jack has been stripped of his British citizenship, sparking a furious diplomatic row with Canada.

Muslim convert Jack Letts, 24, had held duel UK and Canadian citizenship but declared himself an ‘enemy of Britain’ after fleeing his Oxfordshire home to fight in Syria.

After being captured by Kurdish authorities, he begged to be allowed back to the UK and, despite previously saying he wanted to be a suicide bomber, insisted he had ‘no intention of blowing up’ Britons.

But The Mail on Sunday can reveal that the Home Office has torn up his British passport, making him the responsibility of the Canadian government.

The decision has sparked fury in Ottawa, with fears of a public spat when Canadian PM Justin Trudeau meets Boris Johnson at the G7 summit in France next weekend.

Whitehall officials suspect the row may also explain the recent hardline stance taken by the Canadians over a post-Brexit trade deal with the UK.
...

See rest of article here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367565/ISIS-fighter-Jihadi-Jack-stripped-UK-passport-sparking-furious-diplomatic-row-Canada.html

:stirpot:

 

[OldSolduer]

Jihadi Jack now Canada's problem as Britain strips him of his UK citizenship.

See rest of article here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367565/ISIS-fighter-Jihadi-Jack-stripped-UK-passport-sparking-furious-diplomatic-row-Canada.html

:stirpot:

A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.

Where have I heard that before??

 

[Cloud Cover]

So deal with him there before he comes here.  :facepalm:

 

[brihard]

So deal with him there before he comes here.  :facepalm:

What do you propose that would be legal? There’s one set of options for combatants in a theatre of operations. There’s another set of options for civil prisoners in foreign custody.

 

[Kat Stevens]

What do you propose that would be legal? There’s one set of options for combatants in a theatre of operations. There’s another set of options for civil prisoners in foreign custody.

Pointy umbrella full of ricin sounds about right.

 

[PuckChaser]

Pointy umbrella full of ricin sounds about right.

That's too quick for him. Let him rot in a Kurdish prison. He wanted to play big boy games, now he can have big boy prizes.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What do you propose that would be legal?

Let it slip that him and Jeffrey Epstein were communicating.