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Bush and God

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From BBCNEWS;

Before September 11, President George W Bush kept his evangelical Christian beliefs largely to himself.

Bush convinced God wants him to engage the forces of evil
He had turned to God at the age of 40 as a way of kicking alcoholism, and his faith had kept him on the straight and narrow ever since, giving him the drive to reach the White House.

But all that changed on the day of the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.

Those close to Mr Bush say that day he discovered his life‘s mission.

He became convinced that God was calling him to engage the forces of evil in battle, and this one time baseball-team owner from Texas did not shrink from the task.

‘Angels‘ country‘

"We are in a conflict between good and evil. And America will call evil by its name," Mr Bush told West Point graduates in a speech last year.

In this battle, he placed his country firmly on the side of the angels.

"There is wonder-working power in the goodness and idealism of the American people," he said in this year‘s State of the Union address.

This concept of placing America in God‘s camp sticks in the throat of a lot of American clergy.

"It is by no means certain that we are as pure as the driven snow or that our international policy is so pure," says Fritz Ritsch, Presbyterian minister in Bethesda, Maryland.

The Reverend Ritsch says it also makes their job as clerics harder by giving Christians in America an easy way out.

They do not need to examine their souls because their president has told them they are on the side of good.

"There is an opportunity here for spiritual enrichment in this country that is just getting missed."

Battle with anti-Christ

In fact, nearly all the mainland churches in America oppose this war, including Mr Bush‘s own church, the United Methodists.


Does Bush believe he fights a titanic battle with the anti-Christ?
Mr Bush is certainly not the first president to invoke God in time of war, but his approach is markedly different from his predecessors.

During America‘s Civil War, Abraham Lincoln did not claim that God was on his side.

In fact, in his famous second inaugural address, he said the war was a curse on both armies: "He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came."

Yet Mr Bush‘s rhetoric does have a huge audience.

One in three American Christians call themselves evangelicals and many evangelicals believe the second coming of Christ will occur in the Middle East after a titanic battle with the anti-Christ.

Does the president believe he is playing a part in the final events of Armageddon?

If true, it is an alarming thought.

But he would not be alone, as 59% of all Americans believe that what is written in the Bible‘s Book of Revelations will come to pass.

Winning formula

Tim LeHaye is an evangelical minister who has written 10 best-selling novels based on the Book of Revelations.

With exquisite timing, his 11th, called Armageddon, will be published next week.

By combining the apocalypse with a Tom Clancy style, Mr LeHaye has found a winning formula.

After the attacks on the World Trade Center, the minister became America‘s best-selling novelist in 2001, beating even John Grisham.

In his latest novel we see the anti-Christ, armed with nuclear weapons, setting up camp at New Babylon in Iraq.

The millions of Americans who believe in the biblical prophecies see this war in a very particular way and among them, George Bush‘s stark talk of good versus evil plays very well.

If America prevails, millions will say it was divinely ordained.

But many others will suspect that it had more to do with the power of American weaponry than the active intervention of the Almighty.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2921345.stm
 
Pugil,if Dubya had waited and used all avenue‘s with in diplomacy he may have over 500,000 combat troop‘s from all over the world and the Muslim‘s as whole may have excepted this war.

As you have posted, he has let his "FAITH" get in the way and has enterd a war of no return for us all!

The Arab world see this as America expanding their "Empire" and the Muslim‘s will not except this,we westerner‘s are going to see a increace of Terrorism from the militent element‘s of Islam.I think we are repeating History re the Crusade‘s!

Mark my word‘s, we are heading for a nasty World War,Christian against Muslim!
 
We should all switch religions to those nut bars from quebec who believe in aliens and try and clone each other.
‘I told you to get a haircut!‘
"no sir, you told sapper earl #4, i‘m number 7".

Its funny all religions seemingly preach peace and love thy brother stuff but more people have died in the name of religion then all wars combined.
 
I think george has an addictive personality disorder. He was into crack, alcohol and now he is addicted to religion. Addictive personalities tend to go to the extremes of everything.

Why is it so impossible to just have a stable leader? Is our system fundamentally flawed?

Maybe I‘ll go into politics after my Army career...
 
I think your giving a good example of the mind set you see us as "hating"

Were voicing dislikes about the US (as well as canada) but it seems like you just see it as hating the US. It‘s that whole "Your with us or against us" that many of us don‘t like.
 
Bush kicking alcoholism at 40? Hmmm....
Have a look here.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush_movie.html

He should try kicking stupidity. Who allows themselves to be filmed drunk and is not part of a fraternity? Ha! And it was election time to boot. He seems like he would be a cool college buddy but his immaturity is disconcerting considering he is the "leader of the free world". IMHO
 
Hey Bill, about your sig, the war is suposed to be against Saddam not "Iraq". Isn‘t it?
I got a new sig for ya
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Does anyone really believe Bush makes his decisions alone? Love him or hate him, most modern leaders have a panoply of advisers. Sometimes they listen to them; even Hitler was known to give in to advisors on occasion.

Americans are big on "cult of personality", but the truth is that most modern nations are run by committee. We do call them governments, and there are indeed checks and balances. I think they are in place in the US for the most part; they were clearly not working in Iraq, by design there.

bill g. - no offence, but it‘s getting old. Intelligent people (like the posters on this very forum) are capable of discussing things impassionately. Ie without loving or hating the subject. I think we have all demonstrated an ability to do that here.

And for the record, your signature picture is ridiculous. "In your face" pro-war types turn my stomatch just as much as "in your face" anti-war types. I think most people on this forum are anti-war as they are serving soldiers and would be the first ones to go if Canada got involved. No smart person wants war, but sensible people understand it is sometimes necessary - barring those whose religious beliefs genuinely prohibit them from supporting war. Kind of a pity the entire world didn‘t feel that way, really. Maybe we wouldn‘t need armies at all. I should suspect that‘s the end goal for humanity in general.
 
Thank you Mr. Dorosh for bringing this one back to Earth....
 
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