Bush Was Right

[mainerjohnthomas]

Bush was an idiot.  The US had been carrying out attacks on Iraq since the beginning of the first Gulf War, and waiting for Saddam to collapse on his own under the economic hardship of sanctions.  Newsflash, dictators never cared about how the have nots are doing, so it didn't work.  The war in Afghanistan was necessary in response to the 9-11 attack, there was no link to Iraq.  Iraq didn't mind seeing NYC take it on the chin, but neither did Bolivia, and he didn't invade them.
    As far as the weapons of mass destruction, CIA, NSA, MI6, and Mossad all agreed that he didn't have any beyond the chemical weapons the US gave him (he used those up on those pesky Kurds).
    As far as support for Terrorism goes, the Taliban was financed using Saudi money that the CIA taught them how to launder and multiply working with the drug smugglers and arms dealers of the region.  The CIA taught them how to beat the KGB in building, training and equipping terrorist cells to destabilize an occupied Afghanistan.  Good work boys, it worked so well, after finishing training in the Soviet Occupation, they took the Jihad for a road trip to the big apple.
      If you wanted to bomb the source of the 9-11 attacks into the stone age, then its a tossup as to wether you drop the first one on the Saudi Royal house, or the Langley loyal loons.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Sorry, I don't subscribe to the "If you keep repeating it, it eventually becomes the truth" theory of epistemology like you and Bush do, so I guess you're on your own from here. Rest assured I'll  keep reading the thread and exposing your lies as soon as they leave your keyboard.

Since I'll still be reading, why not throw out some more insults? Your audience really gets worked up with that kind of thing.  Better yet, put it to music! ;D

How about just taking care of your own lie, the one about having a plan that could have avoided GW2 and still sorted out Iraq?  For the most part, you have been a worthy adversary and well spoken.  When you said it, I actually believed that you had some switched on idea, and I would have listened to it.  Despite the on going pissing match, I really thought you could deliver.  Believe it or not, I learn a great deal from these forums, and I was hoping to get something usefull at the end of this. 
Now you slink away under the pretext of being too superior and mature to continue to "repeat" yourself.  The only thing I saw repeated was a bitter individual that was trying to goad a person of principle to renounce his beliefs out of idle curiosity.  That tells me what you think about me.  I will adjust my  respect for you accordingly.

 

[Centurian1985]

John Thomas; you forget to mention how UBL and others revolutioned terrorist organizations by introducing business management concepts; plus the lessons the early left-wing guerilla conepts that groups from egypt and north africa brought in (that were taught to them by Russian intelligence), and the targeting and tactics brought in by the Chechen mujahideen groups (many of whom were former Russian military).

 

[Centurian1985]

Ha! "Road trip to the big apple"

Hilarious. 

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Since it appears that the US went to a lot of time and expense to train these guys, only to have it bite them in the arse, would it stand to reason that it is really their responsibility to round them up?  Hind sight is 20/20 as always, but somebody needs to sort them out.  Shouldn't it be the country that created them?  Kind of Dr. Frankenstein going after his monster.

 

[Fry]

Bush was an idiot.  The US had been carrying out attacks on Iraq since the beginning of the first Gulf War, and waiting for Saddam to collapse on his own under the economic hardship of sanctions.  Newsflash, dictators never cared about how the have nots are doing, so it didn't work.  The war in Afghanistan was necessary in response to the 9-11 attack, there was no link to Iraq.  Iraq didn't mind seeing NYC take it on the chin, but neither did Bolivia, and he didn't invade them.
    As far as the weapons of mass destruction, CIA, NSA, MI6, and Mossad all agreed that he didn't have any beyond the chemical weapons the US gave him (he used those up on those pesky Kurds).
    As far as support for Terrorism goes, the Taliban was financed using Saudi money that the CIA taught them how to launder and multiply working with the drug smugglers and arms dealers of the region.  The CIA taught them how to beat the KGB in building, training and equipping terrorist cells to destabilize an occupied Afghanistan.  Good work boys, it worked so well, after finishing training in the Soviet Occupation, they took the Jihad for a road trip to the big apple.
      If you wanted to bomb the source of the 9-11 attacks into the stone age, then its a tossup as to wether you drop the first one on the Saudi Royal house, or the Langley loyal loons.

Sounds like someone else who bought the male bovine excrement in the  Michael Moore one-sided joke of a documentary.  :

 

[Kal]

How about just taking care of your own lie, the one about having a plan that could have avoided GW2 and still sorted out Iraq? 

Well, it ain't no lie, yet...  Britney, A_majoor already said it, and I'll say it too for the hell of it, George Dubya is an idiot.  We all want to hear what your plan would've been, so please tell us.  Just let your pride go for a bit and educate us on your take of world politics and foreign policy for this matter.  pretty please?

Since it appears that the US went to a lot of time and expense to train these guys, only to have it bite them in the arse, would it stand to reason that it is really their responsibility to round them up?  Hind sight is 20/20 as always, but somebody needs to sort them out.  Shouldn't it be the country that created them?  Kind of Dr. Frankenstein going after his monster.

Agreed

 

[zipperhead_cop]

My plan would not have differed from the POTUS'.  I was all for getting in there and digging the mad man out.  If it was up to me, I would have said "all ahead and damn the torpedo's" back in GW1, and sorted it out then.  They would have found a lot more damning evidence that way, rather than give Sadam ten odd years to play silly buggers.  I didn't think I needed to put up a plan, because I agree with the one in effect. 
Brit claims to have a different and better one.  We were all hoping it existed.

 

[Kal]

Sounds like someone else who bought the male bovine excrement in the  Michael Moore one-sided joke of a documentary.  :

Nah-uh, not all of it, bro.  Yeah, the Taliban did recieve training and equipment from the CIA.  Economic sanctions and pressure didn't do much for Iraqi regime change.  Going after the Taliban and AQ in Afghanistan was justified for the 9/11 attack.  There wasn't any hard evidence of the AQ operating in and cooperating with Iraq, although Iraq did/does support terrorism.  

 

[Kal]

Ok, this is getting rediculous.

Britney said he had a brilliant plan, not zipperhead_cop. So the onus is on Britney to explain the plan he claimed he had, not zipperhead_cop to explain he never claimed to have.

We have all educated ya'll on world politics and foreign policy, you and Britney and your supporters have yet (with the exception of marinerjohnthomas) to provide any type, any at all, explanation of your view of foreign policy and you could have done it better.

Honest to god, you guys are frustrating me. With your avoiding the topic by making claims for things that don't even EXIST (like plans myself and zipperhead_cop somehow seem to have).

:brickwall:

This is like talking to a 5 year old, except worse.

Piper, never once did I say whether I was for or against the actions and methods Bush took. 

I am aware what Zipper has said, I was asking Britney to tell us his plan.  Okay, reading over my post it sorta sounded like I meant Zipper had a plan.  My appologizes for not being clear enough.  What I meant was "Britney, can you please tell us your plan.  A_Majoor said it already and I'll said it too if it help.  George Bush is an idiot." 

Am I clear now?

 

[couchcommander]

We have all educated ya'll on world politics and foreign policy, you and Britney and your supporters have yet (with the exception of marinerjohnthomas) to provide any type, any at all, explanation of your view of foreign policy and you could have done it better.

....?

*sniffle* I feel so invisible right now...  :'(

 

[Fry]

Nah-uh, not all of it, bro.  Yeah, the Taliban did recieve training and equipment from the CIA.  Economic sanctions and pressure didn't do much for Iraqi regime change.  Going after the Taliban and AQ in Afghanistan was justified for the 9/11 attack.  There wasn't any hard evidence of the AQ operating in and cooperating with Iraq, although Iraq did/does support terrorism. 

... I wasn't quoting you.

 

[Kal]

... I wasn't quoting you.

I know... 

What marinerjohnthomas was saying wasn't any of Michael Moores fluff, or "male bovine excrement" well at least not all of it.  I just decided to add my own two cents on that piece.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Well after ANOTHER 7 pages of chasing our tails its time to close this one too.

Ya know what?...No one will know who is right or wrong untill many more decades have passed and history makes its judgement.