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Yes the M119 is an attractive option as a direct replacement for the C3
Viable as a lightweight, operational weapons system that could be plugged into reserve units, especially since it includesdigital fire control that could be a stepping stone to the M777? Yes. Attractive as the most modern, necessary operational weapon system that Canada need? No.Yes the M119 is an attractive option as a direct replacement for the C3
Agreed l, the C3 needs a replacement by the end of the decade at the latest, but the sooner the better. At this point a system that checks most of the boxes is better then nothing.As I previously mentioned, time is of the essence and likley a system either based on the M119 or a 120mm mortar is likley the only doable solution within the budget, industrial capacity and timeframe that currently exist. It may not be the perfect solution, but it will be good enough. Pitching a system that could be partial or fully built here increases the likelihood of surviving the coming defense budget cuts, otherwise the Canadian Reserve artillery will become a professional reenactment force sleepwalking through the drills on non-functioning guns.
Loitering munitions are relatively inexpensive and the training systems are even cheaper.Agreed l, the C3 needs a replacement by the end of the decade at the latest, but the sooner the better. At this point a system that checks most of the boxes is better then nothing.
Right, because they could hover a few feet above the parade square when not being used, like the guns that are parked there nowLoitering munitions are relatively inexpensive and the training systems are even cheaper.
And you do not need to redesign the armouries to store them.
The flexibility of the system is also demonstrable -I rest my case. The HIMARS is equally effective and easier to maintain and is used by a number of National Guard units. A perfect fit. A system that is rarely used and only necessary in case of a major war run by part time soldiers thus creating a very low cost to sustain annually. Note the practice rockets which have a range of five to nine miles, can be used on any standard artillery range and cost a fraction of a service rocket.
We planned on HIMARS once and then figured we'd never be going back to a peer war so why bother?
Command and control of artillery is complex and we need full-time gunners for that. Delivery systems from guns to rockets, even the modern ones, are relatively easy and should, in large part, be manned by reservists.
Archer, the BAE Systems Bofors’ 155mm/52-cal SP wheeled artillery system was on display at DSEI for the first time carried on a Rheinmetall MAN 8×8 cross country truck with an armoured cab. This 8×8 carrier is widely in use around the world and indicates the international intentions of the company for this wheeled artillery system. Sweden is already going full steam ahead equipping its artillery units with Archer, 24 of which have been received, with a further 12 on order as reserve equipments. (These had been slated as part of a delivery to Norway, but that deal did not go ahead.)
“So if you think about the kinds of threats you might face
in the Middle EastAnywhere the lower-end cruise missiles or a larger UAV, now you have a way to shoot them down that doesn’t require you use a $2 million ESSM or $1 million RAM because a hyper velocity projectile – even in the highest-end estimates have it in the $75,000 to $100,000 range, and that’s for the fanciest version of it with an onboard seeker,” he said.
An added benefit of using HVP in powder guns is the gun’s high rate of fire and a large magazine capacity.
“You can get 15 rounds a minute for an air defense mission as well as a surface-to-surface mission,” Clark said. “That adds significant missile defense capacity when you think that each of those might be replacing a ESSM or a RAM missile. They’re a lot less expensive.”
Putting those pieces of the puzzle together - how saleable would the idea be of the local part time gunners having vehicles in their garage that could knock UAVs out of the sky at 100 km and missiles taking out their launch ships at 1500 km?
Based on what little I know about previous support provided to our local part time gunners, this would never, ever happen IMHO...