They've been flogging this system for over six years now and to the best of my knowledge while its been looked at by some folks no one has made it an in-service system yet. In part that's because of the big drift to 155mm as the NATO calibre of choice. 105mm systems are mostly national legacy guns of some type or other which remain around for some aight or air mobile use.
They've been flogging this system for over six years now and to the best of my knowledge while its been looked at by some folks no one has made it an in-service system yet. In part that's because of the big drift to 155mm as the NATO calibre of choice. 105mm systems are mostly national legacy guns of some type or other which remain around for some aight or air mobile use.
I'm not a fan of this thing. IMHO Canada does not need another "training" gun. The C3 will do nicely and if they ever all clap out, and we're still too cheap to do the right thing, we can always pick up a few dozen antique M101s from the Koreans. They've got tons of them.
IMHO the C3s replacement should be some, or all, of the following in no particular order: M777s, HIMARS, some form of loitering UCAV, STA gear, and whatever self propelled 155mm Canada finally gets if they ever form proper heavy and medium brigades capable of going to a peer to peer dance.
As D&B posted they still seem to have their battlefield use in Ukraine. My concerns are about the 777 lack of mobility once it gets dropped off. If a local band of undetected comrades decides to attack it's position what then? how long before the chinook can get there and doesn't that put the chinook at risk? Whereas the Hawkeye can just drive away and reposition to fire on its attackers? Just some questions rolling around in my head...They've been flogging this system for over six years now and to the best of my knowledge while its been looked at by some folks no one has made it an in-service system yet. In part that's because of the big drift to 155mm as the NATO calibre of choice. 105mm systems are mostly national legacy guns of some type or other which remain around for some aight or air mobile use.
I'm not a fan of this thing. IMHO Canada does not need another "training" gun. The C3 will do nicely and if they ever all clap out, and we're still too cheap to do the right thing, we can always pick up a few dozen antique M101s from the Koreans. They've got tons of them.
IMHO the C3s replacement should be some, or all, of the following in no particular order: M777s, HIMARS, some form of loitering UCAV, STA gear, and whatever self propelled 155mm Canada finally gets if they ever form proper heavy and medium brigades capable of going to a peer to peer dance.
In a decade the Res Arty will fondly remember when they had 3 guns and some ammo to shoot. By that time the 20 or so remaining 105's will have been taken to support the 20 or so remaining M777. I be happy if we got refurbished M101's from SK to fill out the Regiments to 6 guns each and some for the regular force. I be much happier to get M119 with the same FCS as the M777. If by chance they bought 50 or so M777 for the Reserves, how long before the Regular Force grabs them like they did with the Bisons? Then you have Res Arty playing with wooden mockups on the Parade square. I have zero faith in the CAF or the Artillery Arm to actually build up our artillery arm.They've been flogging this system for over six years now and to the best of my knowledge while its been looked at by some folks no one has made it an in-service system yet. In part that's because of the big drift to 155mm as the NATO calibre of choice. 105mm systems are mostly national legacy guns of some type or other which remain around for some aight or air mobile use.
I'm not a fan of this thing. IMHO Canada does not need another "training" gun. The C3 will do nicely and if they ever all clap out, and we're still too cheap to do the right thing, we can always pick up a few dozen antique M101s from the Koreans. They've got tons of them.
IMHO the C3s replacement should be some, or all, of the following in no particular order: M777s, HIMARS, some form of loitering UCAV, STA gear, and whatever self propelled 155mm Canada finally gets if they ever form proper heavy and medium brigades capable of going to a peer to peer dance.
Your envisioning a non starter scenario with the Hooks / 777.
I'm not so much anti-105mm as I am anti-Hawkeye.
If the situation was desperate enough I'd take LG1s too.
Why the fascination with 105mm?
Mortarmen use the 120mm in most other Armies it in a BN Infantry weapon or manned by Infantry in the CAV Sqn etc.
The current fleet of Canada's 105mm howitzers is something of a disaster. But upgrading them might be a good choice. Modern 105mm still pack a usable punch in a modern day situation. Cost wise, operational wise I think there is still a spot for them.
