C7 rifles within cadets

[QY RANG 2]

There has been alot of talk with cadets firing the c7 service rifle. And to my knowledge cadets are only allowed to fire 15 rounds of 5.56 a year. would you guys rather stick with just the Daisy. Also when you are given ammunition on the range they are handed to you in magazines of 5 rounds, why is this?

Anyway I was wondering what you guys think.

 

[my72jeep]

CATO's say 25 rds at the unit and if your only getting it in 5 rds mags I cant say but it may be that you shoot in 5 rds groups?
most times its up to the RSO as to how many rds in the mag and what type of shooting is to be done.

 

[aesop081]

I'm not sure why 5 rounds is the limit but the number brings me to one conclusion :  As a civilian organization (supported by DND) you are probably subject to civilian gun rules which dictate that magazines will have a maximum capacity of 5 rounds.

Of course i am speculating but would seem to make sense.

If someone has the "book " answer i would love to hear it..............

 

[Corporal McDill.]

They're real C7s?
Wow.  I wish I was in Army cadets, instead of Air.
I know a Master Warrant in Army cadets, he told me they were just .177 cal rifles made to look like C7s.  Do they have those also?

 

[KevinB]

I'm not sure why 5 rounds is the limit but the number brings me to one conclusion :   As a civilian organization (supported by DND) you are probably subject to civilian gun rules which dictate that magazines will have a maximum capacity of 5 rounds.

Yeah the automatic weapon ( C7 ) they gave you is irrelevant right?  :  and the mag is still 30rds...

5 rds loaded in the mags are simply so they shoot a five rounds group - not 4 or 6...

 

[Alex252]

This has been discussed a lot : Burrows where are you at?

 

[catalyst]

I would say keep it open. Nobody's really whining about how they can't shoot 24/7 with it. I'm interested to know a bit more about it too.

Is it a reg force RSO that supervises when you shoot?

 

[condor888000]

They're real C7s?
Wow.   I wish I was in Army cadets, instead of Air.

They shoot, we fly in those great bricks with wings!  ;D

 

[Scott]

I agree with Catalyst so long as there is information sharing and not whining, good on you guys keeping it such so far. KevinB is right on with his comment, you're still firing the weapon.

Moreso, I think it should be made fun for the Cadets and also bolster marksmanship, make it a treat, you're not trying to qualify with the thing, remember.

 

[Q.Y. Ranger]

I would say keep it open. Nobody's really whining about how they can't shoot 24/7 with it. I'm interested to know a bit more about it too.

Is it a reg force RSO that supervises when you shoot?

I know that reservist and regular force RSO's supervise us while we are doing the shoot. This October in Borden we had Reg force from PPCLI and Queens own rifles helping supervise and instruct while we shot the C7.

 

[sgt_mandal]

What I don't understand is; why can other elements shoot them but we can't even touch them? I think the sea types can at least do drill with them but I'm not sure. Not complaining or anything, just wondering.

 

[Inch]

Don't sweat it Mandal, I haven't touched a C7 since BOTC four years ago. C7 quals aren't very important going through flight school, there's more than enough stuff to do that you don't even think about shooting. We do annual qual shoots on Sqn though, I should be doing mine in the spring. Are you located near an airforce base? You could always run it up the chain and see if a Sqn will take a few of you with them.

 

[catalyst]

Mandal -

1. No elements are authorized to drill with the C7's.

2. Sea cadets are authorized to shoot the C7, but as I was told "its once in a blue moon" and the situational requirements are different than those of the army cadets (ie - ammo provided by afu, rather than the RCSU). The age requirement is the same as the army cadets.

 

[sgt_mandal]

Thanks for the reply Catalyst.

Inch, no we are not near a base, be we go up to Trenton quite often. We use the range up there whenever we can. Hmm, I'll see what my CO will say about that idea.

 

[condor888000]

I'd read CATO 14-41, Appendix 1, Annex A, Paragraphs 14 and 15.

[quote author=CATO 14-41, Appendix 1, Annex A, Paragraphs 14 and 15]
AIR CADETS
14. CSTC â “ use of the C7/8 is not authorized.
15. LHQ â “ use of the C7/8 is not authorized.
[/quote]

I know   :'(

Any questions on C7/C8 famil firing, see...

http://www.cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/1441A3_b.pdf

It's a pdf so you may want to download it.

 

[Whiskey_Dan]

I was told that cadets can only have 5 rounds in the mag at a time to prevent the cadets from firing the weapon on full auto
as cadets wouldn't have the know how of how to handle a weapon on full auto.

 

[Scott]

Possibly the fact that you are a civilian with a restricted weapon. There is no need to fire it on automatic so why tempt fate by loading a 30 round mag and giving it to you? Again, as cadets you are not required to qualify on the thing, they allow you to fire it as a treat and to bolster marksmanship principles.

 

[Inch]

Well the only difference would be that it continues to fire, so kick back is constant.   Other then that what would be different about handling it?

Constant kick back? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA! From a guy that's never fired an automatic weapon! Study up on how a bullet exits the barrel and the effect the "twist" has on the bullet. Then think of Newtons 3rd law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The weapon doesn't just give a constant kick back, the weapon actually climbs up and left on you. I had a hard time keeping it on target after firing more than a short burst, I'd love to watch a 14 year old try to keep it pointed down range.

 

[Scott]

And with a buffer spring the "kick back" is somewhat minimal.

Why do I bother?

 

[aesop081]

Another " dont talk if you have no idea"  kinda thing ?