Canada‘s Next Assault Rifle..

[KevinB]

Originally posted by S_Baker:
[qb] Gentlemen,

I have a friend that works in the XM-8 program. The reason for the XM-8 rifle program is not because the M-16 and the M-4 are not excellent weapons, it is because the US Army is trying to incorporate an updated grenade launcher system.

Also there is a program to replace the M2 Browning... [/qb]

The bankrupt and useless OICW project has spun off an aborted fetus, the XM-8

The EGLM can fit into the FF Rails on the URXII or SIR systems already available on the SOPMOD Block II upgrade.

This is the R&D weenies selling out troops to make their failure look sucessful

 

[JasonH]

Heh... It looks like an oversized MP5 if you take off the handle.

 

[Slim]

U.S. Army Delta uses the M14 for their snipers at the section ( excuse me, squad) level.

As for weapons being old...anyone check the age of the Browning M2 .50 HMG lately?

And...I do believe that the U.S. Marines were looking awfully hard at the LAV Coyote. All nationalistic nonesence aside the Coyote is an excelent recce platform with the surveillance kit in the rear.
Cheers

 

[scotty884]

just to clarify the coyote is built in Canada at the GM plant in Ontario. They also build the recent lav 3 and the other variants as well

 

[Slim]

Did they ever proceed with the name "KODIAC" for the Lav III?

Maj. Baker
I thought the Marines used the LAV 25 Pirana now?!

 

[KevinB]

Originally posted by Slim:
[QB] U.S. Army Delta uses the M14 for their snipers at the section ( excuse me, squad) level.

SFOD-D and the rest or ARSOC use a variety of weapons. The most prevant 7.62mm gas gun is the KAC SR-25 MK11 Mod0 and the little bro the SR-25K (16" bbl)

M14‘s are found in some ARSOC units but they are beign rapidly replaced everywhere but NAV SPEC WAR for they do over the beach better than the current runs of SR‘s

 

[Brock]

Personnally, the upgrade of the C-7A1 to A2 standard has a major flaw, the weapon will be very heavy at the barrel making for a less accurrat rifle particularly when adding on the laser pointer and/or flashlight. I have fired with both and it really effects accuracy and it is not a lack of training we had lots of ammunition and time. Personnaly, the slight reduction in effective range with the shorter C-8/M-4 length barrel is minor particularly when it is still effective to 300m-99% of combat is less than 300m. However, I would suggest that any upgrade of the C-7A1 with a C-8 butt and barrel length incorporate, if possible, the heavy barrel as described on the Diemaco website because of the advantages over the less durable and effective standard barrel.

 

[D-n-A]

the soldier on the right has a new C7 varient

 

[OLD SCHOOL]

So what now. Bush is short on pop-up targets so now the Canadians have to stand out on the range? :warstory:

At least they are not RCR‘s.

If that is the case then the trooper with the C-7 should at least have a mag to fire back with.

 

[JasonH]

American‘s aren‘t taken a likeing from the looks of it to Full auto.

Only Single fire and Burst.

But Canada has Single shot and Full auto.

Personally I‘d like ot have the full auto on, be nice to doubletap instead of 3 round.

 

[Enzo]

Jay - Ever fire a C7?

 

[Redeye]

Jay, I‘m guessing you‘ve never fired an automatic rifle, since a double-tap is done in semi-auto, not full automatic.

 

[L/MCpl_Argyll_ Kurrgan]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

That‘s where I got the info on the M16A3. I figured there must have been an A3 anyway. Why would they skip a number? From A2 to A4? Oh well. Whatever.

 

[L/MCpl_Argyll_ Kurrgan]

Whatever man. I really don‘t care. All I‘m going by is stuff I‘ve read out of books and on the internet. The A3 is also mentioned in a Modern Weapons of War book I have. It also said that the A3 has full auto capability and is a flat top with a rail for mounting different sights. But since you say there isn‘t one, and you are in the US Military, then I believe ya. :fifty: :gunner:

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

The Janes site seems to indicate otherwise:

http://www4.janes.com/K2/doc.jsp?K2DocKey=%2Fcontent1%2Fjanesdata%2Fyb%2Fjiw%2Fjiw_0467.htm@current&Prod_Name=JIW&

Here is another site as well:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m16.htm

Might not have seen use by the US military but its out there.

 

[L/MCpl_Argyll_ Kurrgan]

Like I said. Why would you go from A2 to A4? There has to be an A3 of some sort. Unless the people at Colt took the short bus to school, never learned to count and failed Kindergarten. :fifty: :gunner:

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Seems like a decent rifle not sure why the US would pass it up.

 

[L/MCpl_Argyll_ Kurrgan]

Basically a C7A1 I‘m thinkin‘.

 

[Redeye]

According to a few sites I‘ve looked at that are not Airsoft sites, and from my memory, the "M16A3" never came into American service, but is a Colt Model 901. It is identical to the A4 except it is a flat-top rather than a fixed carrying handle. The IDF uses it and calls it the A3. By description it seems it would be identical to the C7A1. The original C7 is a Colt Model 715 rifle, being a hybrid of the M16A1 and A2 types. (Its US Army designation when prototyped was the M16A1E2). The C8 is the Colt Model 725, and the flat top version of it is the 925.

There are other versions of the A3 with various types of selector switch options, including the Colt model 905 (3-rnd burst), 925 (see above), 941 (Heavy Barrel version), 942 & 950 (full-auto only, ie a support weapon).

Hopefully that clarifies a bit.

Source: http://www.biggerhammer.net/ar15/variants/ - an exhaustive table of all variants of the Armalite rifle.

 

[L/MCpl_Argyll_ Kurrgan]

See, I knew they were too smart to skip A3. I never said the A3 was in US Military service. I said that there is one. So the Orginal design C7 could be designated M16A2.5 :blotto:
:fifty: :gunner: