Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[SeaKingTacco]

BC Ferries: whose electronics are part of the build? Ours or theirs? Ours, we ship them, they copy, possible security issue.

Just wait, there will be operating problems plus China will control traffic to and from.

I Don't trust the Chinese government (or Eby).

Those are pretty big questions, aren’t they?

 

[suffolkowner]

I’m curious if there was any serious talk about wiping the floor with trump vs being the best candidate to deal with Trump. I recall the latter not the former.

What worked in the election was Carney being better suited than PP to deal with Trump.

Did PP and the CPC even try? I remember Ford wrapping himself in the flag

Exactly. Carney brings credibility and technical fluency that few politicians can match, especially when dealing with someone like Trump who measures power in financial terms. The real question is whether that expertise translates into political instincts strong enough to navigate the populism and unpredictability that come with US and now especially Trump politics.
But the idea Canadians convinced themselves of? Bananas.

Did Canadians convince themselves that Carney would wipe the floor with Trump?

 

[Remius]

Did PP and the CPC even try? I remember Ford wrapping himself in the flag

Not really no. It was radio silence from him for a while and would only say “he wasn’t” the PM when asked what he would do. The tune changed by the time it was too late.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Yeah, that was never a realistic notion. Economically speaking a trump is a rogue actor. Gems ideologically committed to choices that betray his macroeconomic illiteracy. He’s making choices that, big picture, are bad for American consumers and businesses. But he’s making those choices (largely long-discredited mercantilist/protectionist ones) because they play well politically in the short term to some people who are keen to wave the flag but. Or at all keen to crack open an economics textbook. It’s the epitome of short term thinking.

You cannot ‘wipe the floor’ with someone like that. You can manage the problem as best you can, and try to mitigate harm and shape what you’re able.

Carney’s advantage vis a vis Trump, over anyone else who might have been leading our government, is that Carney is an unquestionably prominent and successful ‘money guy’. He can speak very fluently the language that Trump imagines himself speaking. He also has quite a bit of influence with other world financial leaders in building coordinated responses to American irrationality. And because he has a solid grasp of macroeconomics, he’s well poised to understand the impacts of various U.S. policy choices on Canada’s economy without having to have it explained to him. That’s a good thing.

But Trump will do what Trump will do and there’s not a lot we can do to curb that save for playing to his personal vanity and speaking the language of deals to try to mitigate harm. Some storms you just have to ride out and hope you have someone who knows their stuff at the helm.

Agreed.

I think at first the "Elbows Up" narrative was genuine, until Carney actually got to dealing with Trump and recognizing the situation for what it is:

Trying to calmly and deliberately coax a chimp to put down a machine gun, while trying not to get shot in the process.

Whereas Trump 45 had a Staff and Cabinet that were good at keeping things together (and were, all things considered, commited to democracy), 47 has dismissed that notion and replaced the adults in the room with sycophantic puppets.

I don't envy having to negotiate a trade deal with this as the set up....

 

[Kirkhill]

ABC is a big party inCanada.

Anybody But Conservatives.

The LPC has a very large constituency that value The Leader. Carney offered that constituency hope that they could keep the Conservatives out and themselves in.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I’m curious if there was any serious talk about wiping the floor with trump vs being the best candidate to deal with Trump. I recall the latter not the former.

Some hyperbole by me.

Serious talk about it? I've read comments here and there from people who certainly believed it. It seemed certain to them. Did a bunch of Canadians know better? I'd say yes.

Is Carney doing better than Poilievre would have done? No crystal ball to check, I haven't seen any decisive "Only Carney could have accomplished this deal" deals yet.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Those are our 3 options, scratching one off from the get go is not wise.

So are you staying that you do not see China as an adversary (vice competitor) and that there are no national security concerns that will disqualify China from further access to our economy etc?

Should we order our uniforms from ISIS because the labour costs are so low? Replace the C7 with an Russian AK47 to save some money? Buy Shaheed drones from Iran because they are cheaper?

There is no part of our industrial sector that does not have a National Security nexus.