Canada to Spend $5.0Bil on AEW Aircraft

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I thought the MRTT's could do both types of refueling, which means that you could do a probe sticking forward of the Global 6500 that they would drive into the drogue. Much simpler from en engineering point of view than trying to find a place on top for a receiver AND the antenna.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I thought the MRTT's could do both types of refueling, which means that you could do a probe sticking forward of the Global 6500 that they would drive into the drogue. Much simpler from en engineering point of view than trying to find a place on top for a receiver AND the antenna.

The problem with a probe on a Global 6500 is that the parasite drag penalty is already high with the antenna bolted to the top. And we are going to make it worse? Plus, what is the relative weight penalty of a probe over a receptacle?

 

[dapaterson]

The obvious solution is to merge the new AAR operator trade with the para rigger trade, and have them jump out of the MRTT pulling the fuel line beside them, then land on the 6500 wing, open the fuel hatch, pump the fuel, and get recovered as the fuel line gets reeled back in.

 

[Nvlgzr]

The obvious solution is to merge the new AAR operator trade with the para rigger trade, and have them jump out of the MRTT pulling the fuel line beside them, then land on the 6500 wing, open the fuel hatch, pump the fuel, and get recovered as the fuel line gets reeled back in.

Film from USAF about history of AAR. At 3 minute mark the nutter climbed from one plane to another to deliver a jug of fuel and so began AAR.

 

[lenaitch]

Ah, alrighty.

West Shore had a similar reputation out here for more than a couple years.

I thought the MRTT's could do both types of refueling, which means that you could do a probe sticking forward of the Global 6500 that they would drive into the drogue. Much simpler from en engineering point of view than trying to find a place on top for a receiver AND the antenna.

Fair. It was mentioned by somebody, somewhere that with our USAF partnering and the (C)f-35, a probe would be an outlier and therefore a bad thing.

 

[Cloud Cover]

The obvious solution is to merge the new AAR operator trade with the para rigger trade, and have them jump out of the MRTT pulling the fuel line beside them, then land on the 6500 wing, open the fuel hatch, pump the fuel, and get recovered as the fuel line gets reeled back in.

Without spec pay.

 

[ytz]

I thought the MRTT's could do both types of refueling, which means that you could do a probe sticking forward of the Global 6500 that they would drive into the drogue. Much simpler from en engineering point of view than trying to find a place on top for a receiver AND the antenna.

Ummm no. Putting a receiver on a clean aircraft is much easier. All the same plumbing. Less aero and weight penalties.

It's only a problem for Saab where the Globaleye has no room. But that's not the only aircraft targeted for the upgrade. People keep forgetting about the Phoenix.

Boom refueling has three distinct advantages:

1) Higher fuel transfer rates.
2) Lower Aero and weight penalties
3) Lower visual profile makes identification of converted civilian airliners more difficult.

 

[Underway]

It's only a problem for Saab where the Globaleye has no room. But that's not the only aircraft targeted for the upgrade. People keep forgetting about the Phoenix.

And the the EW versions, MPA versions and any other versions that are developed in the future. Its a smart development for an aircraft that has proven itself flexible in multiple military roles.

 

[dapaterson]

Boom refueling has three distinct advantages:

3) Lower visual profile makes identification of converted civilian airliners more difficult.

For the Goldeneye, that's less of an issue

 

[ytz]

And the the EW versions, MPA versions and any other versions that are developed in the future. Its a smart development for an aircraft that has proven itself flexible in multiple military roles.

The entire US Army ISR fleet is moving to Global 6500s. And people are pretending that Globaleye is important.

 

[PuckChaser]

For the Goldeneye, that's less of an issue

 

[Underway]

And people are pretending that Globaleye is important.

It's got the best press. So here we are.

 

[suffolkowner]

It's got the best press. So here we are.

also the tie in with Saab and the Gripen and whatever may come after

 

[childs56]

From what I understand Bombardier already has a refueling receptical prototype for their aircraft. Not sure if it is feasible with the antenna on top of the fuselage., time will tell.