Canada vs ISIL: War vs fight? (split fm Politics in 2016)

[PuckChaser]

At least they don't have to figure out a position on every little thing, when your goto response is "hate everything".

 

[cavalryman]

I'm just pondering the apparent foolishness of officially noting that we are not 'at war' with them, but ISIS certainly believe that they are in essence at war with us....well, actually, they are against everything and everyone outside of their little world.

It must be terribly draining to find enough energy to hate everyone with such vigour.

It's been theorized that the hate energy comes from suppressed sexual frustration, and we all know how that can be  [:-[

 

[Cloud Cover]

When I said Global, I should have elaborated they have global reach, not global aspirations (at least I don't think they have global aspirations).  But my main point overall, is that they should never be able to take comfort in the fact that a state such as Canada chooses to use the technical and legal definition of "war" as between recognized states, because the comforting implication is that we won't fight anything else.  And since ISIL no longer have to worry about a few Canadian bombs dropping on them, I guess it was just natural that the next steps from our government are those  that do not antagonize them, lest ISIL off shore terrorism activities seep into the public transit systems of Montreal etc. Canadians are not the wimps their own government appears to be.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Another difference between AQ and ISIS is their global outreach. AQ from my reading was very much a top down organization, with planning and structure to who, when, where and how they would attack. ISIS is very much into encouragement and blessing of “lone wolves” Basically come live with us and if you can’t, attack the Infidel how and when you can. Social media is far more important to ISIS than AQ.

 

[ArmyRick]

Some big differences between AQ and ISIS, I think. There was a video going around showing how ISIS was battling and murdering Taliban in A-stan

 

[The Bread Guy]

Some big differences between AQ and ISIS, I think. There was a video going around showing how ISIS was battling and murdering Taliban in A-stan

Not to mention AQ saying ISIS is a touch too extreme for their taste.

 

[YZT580]

ISIL has declared war on the nation of Canada. Ignoring this declaration does not make it invalid.  ISIL uses hit-and-run terror to disrupt normal commerce and instill fear in much the same way as we infiltrated saboteurs into France and Germany during WW2.  The terminology being used by Ottawa is that of the playground.  "We will fight them" or "we will stomp them out" are phrases designed to lesson the seriousness.  France has it right.  They have identified the situation correctly. They are at war. The next stage is to identify the enemy and its agents (including those within our borders who seek to radicalize) and then take  whatever action is required to eradicate the threat: including legal action, deportation and military action.  Junior would be well-advised to learn the truth behind his father's famous phrase "watch me".  Pierre had it right. 

 

[Edward Campbell]

Did we mobilize the nation's resources?  Did Parliament issue a formal declaration of war?  Did we deploy the army, or did we send less than 10% of the Army at any one time and then send them off for mid-deployment vacations?


And terror is a tactic.  Declaring a war on terror is like declaring a war on left flanking.

Bingo!

The whole war on terror thing was an ill-considered strategy ... it was first class public relations but, it appeared to me, too many people ~ including high ranking people in e.g. the Pentagon and in the Pearkes Building ~ who should have known better actually believed the PR hype. I could have understood goals like "destroy al Qaeda" or "defeat the Taliban," but generals who, again in my opinion, should have known better seemed to want a broader, more political context and they let the 20something media flacks tell them what their war aims were.  :dunno: 

 

[Cloud Cover]

Sort of like the war on drugs

 

[The Bread Guy]

... generals who, again in my opinion, should have known better seemed to want a broader, more political context and they let the 20something media flacks political staff tell them what their war aims were.  :dunno:

FTFY

 

[Fishbone Jones]

War, fight, skirmish, whatever. Words, mere words. Words that mean different things to different people. No one, absolutely no one, goes and grabs a dictionary every time to ensure that THEIR word meets Oxford's definition. We've spent two pages arguing, discussing, competing about who is right and wrong over the nuances of a word. It doesn't matter what it's called, it isn't going to change the jihadist modus operandi. Nor will it change our reactions to terrorism.

We're sure there are bigger fish to fry, than this conversation about a word. We, strongly, suggest everyone go find something else to discuss and quit wasting bandwidth on this.


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