Canada's purchase of the Leopard 2 MBT
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Hell yeah ;D :cdnsalute:
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Here's the official backgrounder from DND: http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=2252
It confirms much of my original post.
Fantastic news for the CF.
It confirms much of my original post.
Fantastic news for the CF.
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I guess all the armour types are to busy buying beers to post comments right about now.
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Hmmm.....80 Leo 2A6M's + 20 Support Varients for $650 million.....or 66 MGS's for $680 million.
Hmmm....80 Leo 2A6M's + 20 Support Varients or 66 MGS's....
Let me think about that for a minute.
Tough call.
Matthew. ;D
Hmmm....80 Leo 2A6M's + 20 Support Varients or 66 MGS's....
Let me think about that for a minute.
Tough call.
Matthew. ;D
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a great day to be a black hatter
ctv news has this story on them
Cdn. troops to get new tanks in Afghanistan
Updated Thu. Apr. 12 2007 4:08 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
In an effort to bolster resistance against Taliban forces in southern Afghanistan, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced a two-part plan that will provide soldiers with new tanks by this summer.
O'Connor announced the Canadian government will purchase 100 Leopard A6M tanks from the Netherlands, which will replace the 17 aging Leopard C2s currently being used in the country.
"Our Leopard One fleet is almost 30 years old and we are one of the last two countries in the world to use them," O'Connor said on Thursday during a press conference in Quebec City.
The tanks are slated to arrive in Canada by the fall of 2007.
The defence minister also announced a new deal with Germany to lease 20 Leopard A6M tanks which will arrive in Afghanistan as early as summer 2007 to help strengthen efforts against an expected Taliban spring resurgence.
The new tanks will offer soldiers stronger firing capabilities, faster land speeds and more armour to protect against roadside bombs.
"These tanks are truly effective," O'Connor said.
The manufacturer has planned to stop making replacement parts for the current Leopard C2s tanks being used by the Canadian military by 2012.
The 100 tanks purchased from the Netherlands are expected to arrive in Canada by late August or early September.
"They have been well maintained because the Netherlands planned to sell them. They are in very good condition," O'Connor said.
The tanks will be refurbished -- the work will be contracted out to a Canadian company -- and 20 of the upgraded tanks will be sent immediately to Afghanistan to replace the leased German Leopard A6M's.
CTV's Paul Workman has reported on the incredible heat endured by personnel inside the aging Leopard tanks, which are not equipped with air conditioning.
O'Connor confirmed today that both the leased German tanks and the 100 tanks purchased from the Netherlands will be equipped with air cooling systems.
Eight NATO leaders met in Quebec City on Thursday to discuss how to better coordinate their efforts in Afghanistan.
O'Connor said NATO leaders will not increase the amount of troops in the country.
However, the U.S. has extended its presence in Afghanistan at least until the end of the summer, while Poland and Australia have committed more troops to southern areas of the country, which is believed to be enough to carry NATO forces through the hazardous summer months.
Spring offensive
NATO is in the midst of Operation Achilles, a spring offensive meant to pre-empt an expected Taliban campaign. Insurgent attacks are typically stepped up after winter snows melt and mountain passes reopen, allowing militants to travel more freely.
Six Canadians were killed and a seventh was seriously wounded on Sunday when a roadside bomb was detonated. Two more were killed on Wednesday by another roadside bomb.
For months, the U.S. and NATO have called on other member nations to make a greater contribution to the campaign. O'Connor has also joined in, urging countries to remove caveats on their soldiers so they can participate in the heavy fighting in the south.
The U.S., U.K. and Canada have handled most of the actual combat operations against the Taliban.
With files from The Associated Press
ctv news has this story on them
Cdn. troops to get new tanks in Afghanistan
Updated Thu. Apr. 12 2007 4:08 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
In an effort to bolster resistance against Taliban forces in southern Afghanistan, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced a two-part plan that will provide soldiers with new tanks by this summer.
O'Connor announced the Canadian government will purchase 100 Leopard A6M tanks from the Netherlands, which will replace the 17 aging Leopard C2s currently being used in the country.
"Our Leopard One fleet is almost 30 years old and we are one of the last two countries in the world to use them," O'Connor said on Thursday during a press conference in Quebec City.
The tanks are slated to arrive in Canada by the fall of 2007.
The defence minister also announced a new deal with Germany to lease 20 Leopard A6M tanks which will arrive in Afghanistan as early as summer 2007 to help strengthen efforts against an expected Taliban spring resurgence.
The new tanks will offer soldiers stronger firing capabilities, faster land speeds and more armour to protect against roadside bombs.
"These tanks are truly effective," O'Connor said.
The manufacturer has planned to stop making replacement parts for the current Leopard C2s tanks being used by the Canadian military by 2012.
The 100 tanks purchased from the Netherlands are expected to arrive in Canada by late August or early September.
"They have been well maintained because the Netherlands planned to sell them. They are in very good condition," O'Connor said.
The tanks will be refurbished -- the work will be contracted out to a Canadian company -- and 20 of the upgraded tanks will be sent immediately to Afghanistan to replace the leased German Leopard A6M's.
CTV's Paul Workman has reported on the incredible heat endured by personnel inside the aging Leopard tanks, which are not equipped with air conditioning.
O'Connor confirmed today that both the leased German tanks and the 100 tanks purchased from the Netherlands will be equipped with air cooling systems.
Eight NATO leaders met in Quebec City on Thursday to discuss how to better coordinate their efforts in Afghanistan.
O'Connor said NATO leaders will not increase the amount of troops in the country.
However, the U.S. has extended its presence in Afghanistan at least until the end of the summer, while Poland and Australia have committed more troops to southern areas of the country, which is believed to be enough to carry NATO forces through the hazardous summer months.
Spring offensive
NATO is in the midst of Operation Achilles, a spring offensive meant to pre-empt an expected Taliban campaign. Insurgent attacks are typically stepped up after winter snows melt and mountain passes reopen, allowing militants to travel more freely.
Six Canadians were killed and a seventh was seriously wounded on Sunday when a roadside bomb was detonated. Two more were killed on Wednesday by another roadside bomb.
For months, the U.S. and NATO have called on other member nations to make a greater contribution to the campaign. O'Connor has also joined in, urging countries to remove caveats on their soldiers so they can participate in the heavy fighting in the south.
The U.S., U.K. and Canada have handled most of the actual combat operations against the Taliban.
With files from The Associated Press
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Insert happy dance here -----------> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tr8ssMKLk
[sarcasm] But don't you think Dawn Black had a point on M Duffy Live a few minutes ago? What are the tanks going to do for the worlds olympics in 2010? Or the floods that are going to happen in Manitoba, and what are tanks going to to for the aging Buffalo's and ... what... tanks.. ...do.....for... [/sarcasm]
I'm sorry, I couldn't finish- I started laughing too hard.
[sarcasm] But don't you think Dawn Black had a point on M Duffy Live a few minutes ago? What are the tanks going to do for the worlds olympics in 2010? Or the floods that are going to happen in Manitoba, and what are tanks going to to for the aging Buffalo's and ... what... tanks.. ...do.....for... [/sarcasm]
I'm sorry, I couldn't finish- I started laughing too hard.
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...until you've seen the life cycle costs that they're paying...
It's a good deal for (arguably) a better tank. The A6M is state of the art and has the 55 calibre main gun... I'll stack it against an electronics-festooned M1A2 any day.
It's a good deal for (arguably) a better tank. The A6M is state of the art and has the 55 calibre main gun... I'll stack it against an electronics-festooned M1A2 any day.
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Leopard 2A4
The most wide-spread version of the Leopard 2 family, the 2A4 models included more substantial changes, including an automated fire and explosion suppression system, an all-digital fire control system able to handle new ammunition types, and improved turret with flat titanium/tungsten armor.
370 vehicles Leopard 2; 190 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 10789 to 10979) and 180 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20645 to 20825) were delivered between December 1985 and March 1987.
Although only five batches were originally ordered, another batch of 150 Leopard 2; 83 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 10980 to 11062) and 67 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20826 to 20892) was ordered in 1987. These included new batteries and tracks, and moved the warning light so it could be better observed by the driver when he was driving "head out".
Yet another batch of 100 vehicles Leopard 2; 55 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 11063 to 11117) and 45 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20893 to 20937) was delivered between May 1989 and April 1990, identical to the sixth. A smaller batch of 75 vehicles Leopard 2; 41 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 11118 to 11158) and 34 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20938 to 20971) was delivered until 1992.
All older models have been upgraded to the 2A4 standard.
Sweden received 160 used examples on loan while waiting for the 120 Leopard 2(S) they ordered. The Leopard 2A4 is designated Strv121 in Swedish service.
Finland has bought 124 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks.
Poland received 128 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks as military assistance, only paying for the transportation costs.
Greece has bought 183 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks.
Spain has been leased 108 used Leopard 2A4 by Germany; between 2005 and 2015 these will be paid for after which Spain will have full ownership.
Chile is now receiving initial deliveries of 118 Leopard 2A4 from Germany.
Turkey has bought 298 used Leopard 2A4 from Germany including 10,000 rounds of DM-63 ammunition along with these tanks.
Singapore will acquire 66 Leopard 2A4 tanks together with 30 spare tanks and supporting equipment from Germany; according to press release by Singapore's Ministry of Defence on 11th Dec 2006.[2][3]
The Canadian Forces has expressed interest in purchasing 80 Leopard 2A4's from German reserve stocks, along with leasing 20 Leopard 2A6M's from Germany, with the leased Leopards heading directly to the Canadian deployment to Afghanistan in early spring of 2007. This has been confirmed on 12 April 2007; however, Canada will purchase 100 Leopard 2A4s from Holland. The loaned tanks from Germany (2A6Ms) will be sent to Afghanistan as soon as possible. The 100 tanks will include various engineering variants, and there are plans to upgrade the A4 models to A6 standards, which probably includes the L55 main gun[4]
The most wide-spread version of the Leopard 2 family, the 2A4 models included more substantial changes, including an automated fire and explosion suppression system, an all-digital fire control system able to handle new ammunition types, and improved turret with flat titanium/tungsten armor.
370 vehicles Leopard 2; 190 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 10789 to 10979) and 180 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20645 to 20825) were delivered between December 1985 and March 1987.
Although only five batches were originally ordered, another batch of 150 Leopard 2; 83 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 10980 to 11062) and 67 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20826 to 20892) was ordered in 1987. These included new batteries and tracks, and moved the warning light so it could be better observed by the driver when he was driving "head out".
Yet another batch of 100 vehicles Leopard 2; 55 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 11063 to 11117) and 45 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20893 to 20937) was delivered between May 1989 and April 1990, identical to the sixth. A smaller batch of 75 vehicles Leopard 2; 41 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 11118 to 11158) and 34 by Mak (Chassis Nr. 20938 to 20971) was delivered until 1992.
All older models have been upgraded to the 2A4 standard.
Sweden received 160 used examples on loan while waiting for the 120 Leopard 2(S) they ordered. The Leopard 2A4 is designated Strv121 in Swedish service.
Finland has bought 124 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks.
Poland received 128 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks as military assistance, only paying for the transportation costs.
Greece has bought 183 Leopard 2A4 from German Army reserve stocks.
Spain has been leased 108 used Leopard 2A4 by Germany; between 2005 and 2015 these will be paid for after which Spain will have full ownership.
Chile is now receiving initial deliveries of 118 Leopard 2A4 from Germany.
Turkey has bought 298 used Leopard 2A4 from Germany including 10,000 rounds of DM-63 ammunition along with these tanks.
Singapore will acquire 66 Leopard 2A4 tanks together with 30 spare tanks and supporting equipment from Germany; according to press release by Singapore's Ministry of Defence on 11th Dec 2006.[2][3]
The Canadian Forces has expressed interest in purchasing 80 Leopard 2A4's from German reserve stocks, along with leasing 20 Leopard 2A6M's from Germany, with the leased Leopards heading directly to the Canadian deployment to Afghanistan in early spring of 2007. This has been confirmed on 12 April 2007; however, Canada will purchase 100 Leopard 2A4s from Holland. The loaned tanks from Germany (2A6Ms) will be sent to Afghanistan as soon as possible. The 100 tanks will include various engineering variants, and there are plans to upgrade the A4 models to A6 standards, which probably includes the L55 main gun[4]
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[edit] Leopard 2A6
Includes the addition of the 120 mm L55 smoothbore gun (Rheinmetall DeTec AG) and a number of other changes. All German tank battalions of the "crisis intervention forces" are equipped with the A6, as are all Dutch operational units.
[edit] Leopard 2A6M
Based on A6 plus several protections against mines.
Canada as of April 12, 2007, has announced it will purchase up to 100 A6Ms from the Netherlands. They will also lease 20 A6Ms from Germany. These tanks will be used primarily in the NATO deployment in Afghanistan, in an effort to increase firepower and to increase protection given to Canadian troops operating in the south of Afghanistan. The previous Leopard C2s used by the Canadian Forces reached temperatures of up to 60 degrees celsius in the Afghan summers. This was primarily due to the use of a hydraulic drive turret combined with the brutal Afghan summers. The new tanks all have turret electric drive as well as internal air conditioning.
Includes the addition of the 120 mm L55 smoothbore gun (Rheinmetall DeTec AG) and a number of other changes. All German tank battalions of the "crisis intervention forces" are equipped with the A6, as are all Dutch operational units.
[edit] Leopard 2A6M
Based on A6 plus several protections against mines.
Canada as of April 12, 2007, has announced it will purchase up to 100 A6Ms from the Netherlands. They will also lease 20 A6Ms from Germany. These tanks will be used primarily in the NATO deployment in Afghanistan, in an effort to increase firepower and to increase protection given to Canadian troops operating in the south of Afghanistan. The previous Leopard C2s used by the Canadian Forces reached temperatures of up to 60 degrees celsius in the Afghan summers. This was primarily due to the use of a hydraulic drive turret combined with the brutal Afghan summers. The new tanks all have turret electric drive as well as internal air conditioning.
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2
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Perhaps this has been answered elsewhere. I understand the money for this is coming from the $650 million allocated for the MGS. Will there be any left over funds or is that the price for the whole deal? Does it include parts and training?
I'm glad the C2s are being recycled. All that money spent updating them...
I'm glad the C2s are being recycled. All that money spent updating them...
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Hillier said that he believes the majority of tanks that go to Canada will be going out west.
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