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Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

Underway said:
Well considering missile pods are for space dreadnoughts.... probably zero as the pod is the size of a HFX.
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I KNEW IT!!!!

I was going to say Honor Harrington! But I didn't think anyone would get the reference! ;)

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CSC as a pod carrier! RCN to RMSN! i'm in. :)
 
Colin Parkinson said:
I suspect China will not directly strike North American ports, in the understanding that Chinese mainland ports are not hit either. The potentiel to mine port entrances and perhaps 1-2 subs on a one way missions off the west coast will be the most we see close to our shores. To sustain fleet ops in a gruelling but drawn out fight, you will need mobile facilities to repair and restock the fleet. China will use everything from threats, diplomacy, sabotage to limit the use of near theatre ports to sustain the fleet. Their goal is not necessarily the destruction of the fleet, but the expenditures of munitions. If your escorts are required to expend all their surface to air missiles to ward off potential strikes and inbound munitions. Then they be forced to return home to reload, that will very quickly denude your fleet of AD assets, forcing it further offshore and limiting their abilty to protect Taiwan or other friendly countries.
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Once the Chinese start hitting Japanese ports, will the Americans be able to not hit those.
 
Spencer100 said:
In all likelihood we will be sitting it out. Doing the best we can to support NORAD. Defend Vancouver....or maybe even declare "Open City" would be an option.
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That might be the case given Vancouver’s huge Chinese population. Would the Americans let that happen?
 
MTShaw said:
That might be the case given Vancouver’s huge Chinese population. Would the Americans let that happen?
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I was not going to go there. But the potential for fifth column activity is not zero.

I think the US would be happy with defend your airspace and sea approaches. Let us do what we need to.
 
MTShaw said:
That might be the case given Vancouver’s huge Chinese population. Would the Americans let that happen?
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That's astute.

The Chinese have prepositioned large swaths of loyal folks all over the world already. They've infiltrated and have influence over all levels of our governments, sciences and education institutions, and they even have police stations on our soil amongst others.

Well played China.
 
MTShaw said:
Why would it be draw out? The US and Chinese military will run out of ballistic and cruise missiles very quickly. How many JASSM/LRASM misfiles do the US have?
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How many missiles are in a task force? In a conflict China just needs to continuously launch missiles, drones and attack aircraft at the task force and force it to expend it's missile load, at some point it will have to withdraw. That's not counting the sub and surface threats.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
How many missiles are in a task force? In a conflict China just needs to continuously launch missiles, drones and attack aircraft at the task force and force it to expend it's missile load, at some point it will have to withdraw. That's not counting the sub and surface threats.
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And then what. The old saying was will the US risk Chicago to defend Frankfurt in a nuclear war. Will the US let the CHinese overrun a Japanese city. Will the US lose a war without expending all of its tactical weapons (B61-12 and probably W-84 in a renewed GLCM). And the Chinese will respond.

Any war between nuclear powers will be nuclear. It just depends if they will be able to stop at tactical nukes
 
Spencer100 said:
In all likelihood we will be sitting it out. Doing the best we can to support NORAD. Defend Vancouver....or maybe even declare "Open City" would be an option.
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Or the 'fifth column' that may already exist in Vancouver simply takes over the city and attempts to hold until relieved....
 
MTShaw said:
And then what. The old saying was will the US risk Chicago to defend Frankfurt in a nuclear war. Will the US let the CHinese overrun a Japanese city. Will the US lose a war without expending all of its tactical weapons (B61-12 and probably W-84 in a renewed GLCM). And the Chinese will respond.

Any war between nuclear powers will be nuclear. It just depends if they will be able to stop at tactical nukes
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That's an assumption, if China does not go nuclear (stating that invasion or attacks on Beijing are triggers) and instead uses conventional and asymmetrical threats, will the US go nuclear first?
 
Colin Parkinson said:
That's an assumption, if China does not go nuclear (stating that invasion or attacks on Beijing are triggers) and instead uses conventional and asymmetrical threats, will the US go nuclear first?
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China will run out of ammunition as fast as the US, Japan and Korea. Their fleet will also run out of AAW as fast as the US.

What asymmetrical threats can the China use that the US is not also already using.

Decapitating the Chinese state and having CGina pushed back to the first islands rising destruction of their army would probably cause the Chinese to use their tactical nukes. An attack on the White House alone would cause the US government to become unstable and raise the prospects of nuclear use.

Recall that the US policies of the Cold War were that of nuclear firsts use policy and that their plans for the defense of Europe had the use of nuclear weapons. I wouldn’t be surprised if their plans have their use in the Pacific under certain situations.

Our plans are likely as ghastly as theirs.
 
The Chinese will have the advantage of close range and land based aircraft, Any USAF aircraft will have long flight. I bet anything both sides will do their best in the first months to keep the conflict contained, the Chinese don't need to sink the task force, just make it combat ineffective and you do that by depleting their missile stocks by throwing waves of remotely controlled aircraft mixed in with armed piloted ones and cruise missiles. The task force will have to treat them all as threats. Going just by Wiki, it looks like they have about 2,000 aircraft in the PLAAF that could be used.
 
MTShaw said:
China will run out of ammunition as fast as the US, Japan and Korea. Their fleet will also run out of AAW as fast as the US.

What asymmetrical threats can the China use that the US is not also already using.

Decapitating the Chinese state and having CGina pushed back to the first islands rising destruction of their army would probably cause the Chinese to use their tactical nukes. An attack on the White House alone would cause the US government to become unstable and raise the prospects of nuclear use.

Recall that the US policies of the Cold War were that of nuclear firsts use policy and that their plans for the defense of Europe had the use of nuclear weapons. I wouldn’t be surprised if their plans have their use in the Pacific under certain situations.

Our plans are likely as ghastly as theirs.
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Of course this depends on the USN having enough ships capable of forming a task force
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US Warships Struggle To Stay At Sea As China's Fleet Grows

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Colin Parkinson said:
That's an assumption, if China does not go nuclear (stating that invasion or attacks on Beijing are triggers) and instead uses conventional and asymmetrical threats, will the US go nuclear first?
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I've always been of the (hopeful) belief that the US will not allow the Chinese to gain the initiative if shit was really going to hit the fan.

My prediction (hope) is that the US would get some kind of accurate intelligence that China really was going to, for example, launch an invasion of Taiwan, and instead of letting it happen first, they would have the half dozen attack subs that are sitting in the south china sea sink as many heavy combatants as they can with torpedos, and any that are still in port with tomahawks.

At least, that's how it plays out in my head. I may also have read Tom Clancy's SSN too many times.

Here's my thinking in TikTok form (it's visavis Russia, but you get the point):

Admiral Gorshkov
 
Halifax Tar said:
That's astute.

The Chinese have prepositioned large swaths of loyal folks all over the world already. They've infiltrated and have influence over all levels of our governments, sciences and education institutions, and they even have police stations on our soil amongst others.

Well played China.
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And I bet the Chinese expat community know who every single one of them are. How much you want to bet the RCMP and CSIS have a pretty good idea as well.

Expect the exact same thing that happend in Ukraine when the balloon went up. The gloves come off and a whole bunch of those people are called out and brought in for questioning immediately.
 
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