MilEME09
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Is that 32-cell VLS in front of the bridge or is the back row 24 x VLS and eight of a different missile type in front?
It does look like 32 of the same. Most likely an older model reused. Do get your hopes up. I think the 24 use pretty much confirmed.Is that 32-cell VLS in front of the bridge or is the back row 24 x VLS and eight of a different missile type in front?
Don’t forget Canadian accounting methods.Estimated cost of warship fleet rises to $84B thanks to delays, inflation: PBO
Estimated cost of warship fleet rises to $84B thanks to delays, inflation: PBO
Yves-Giroux estimates the government will pay more than $84 billion for 15 new warshipshalifax.citynews.ca
For the proposed cost of three warships, we could get a Gerald Ford class carrier.I don't know where things stand now ... a fewyearsactually, sadly, decades ago we found that none of the Library of Parliament (the PBO works for them and they did cost analysis before there even was a PBO), TB, PWGSC (as it was then), the OAG, the media (who matter a lot) and DND either:
1. Didn't understand anything at all about life cycle costing - and didn't care much, either;2. Or didn't agree what should and should be counted as part of a system life cycle.
I'm not sure a whole lot has changed.
Not even close.For the proposed cost of three warships, we could get a Gerald Ford class carrier.
Ok. Could we get a GERiatric class of carrier?Not even close.
The USN does not add in the cost crew, fuel and maintenance over the entire life of the ship. We do.
Canadian Surface Combatant cost may rise 9% with delays, inflation
The Canadian government has again increased its cost estimate for its next-generation frigate program, with a report by the Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer showing a 9% increase in procurement costs since last year’s approximation.
The Canadian Surface Combatant program is now expected to cost CA$84.5 billion (U.S. $62.3 billion) to design and buy the 15-ship class...
Canadian Surface Combatant cost may rise 9% with delays, inflation
Canada's frigate replacement program has seen a string of cost increases since 2017, including a new 9% cost increase since last year.www.defensenews.com
CSC's creeping up towards $6 billion each, PBO says:
Mark
Ottawa
To deliver one a year, there will be a few in various stages of production, but that's still a fairly aggressive drumbeat.Or they could cut the cost if they increased the buy rate to two a year.
That would require industry capacity beyond what is available.Or they could cut the cost if they increased the buy rate to two a year.
To deliver one a year, there will be a few in various stages of production, but that's still a fairly aggressive drumbeat.
In any case, we only have about 5-6 crews at the moment with retention trending downwards, so curious to see what FM the RCN has planned.
Might be optimism and bling, but expect it will be entertaining and ugly AF respectively.
Edit to add: Guess what else delays delivery; these PBO updates! The amount of churn is incredible, and now a significant LOE will be diverted to explaining the details, fighting in DPS and playing politics by the people that would otherwise be providing program oversight and guidance.
Why is there such a big discrepancy between the RN, RAN, and RCN numbers of crew?So you have 5 or 6 crews for the Halifaxes - at 225 per ship?
1125 to 1350 sailors?
Type 31 RN - 80-100 sailors
Type 31 Pol - 100-120 sailors
Absolons - 100 sailors
Huitfeldts - 165 sailors
Type 26 RN - 157 sailors
Type 26 RAN - 180 sailors
Type 26 RCN - 204 sailors
Is somebody counting or not counting the Air Det?Why is there such a big discrepancy between the RN, RAN, and RCN numbers of crew?
157 vs 204 is pretty significant.
Or force protection, boarding party etc. Don't forget a lawyer, PAFFO, photographer, padres....Is somebody counting or not counting the Air Det?
Or maybe they are counting the crew when the Command Staff is embarked?
Which is just beyond asinine .Not even close.
The USN does not add in the cost crew, fuel and maintenance over the entire life of the ship. We do.
It's a lot of double accounting. All of that is also under the normal DND budget projections for annual spending.Which is just beyond asinine .
Crew = salaries
Fuel, munitions and Maintenance = O&M
Except our job is to keep the shipping lanes open. That includes a true sub hunter not your idealized Huitfeld. Also the Huitfeld is built like a ferry with guns and missiles rather than a war ship.If we wanted a loud ship we would have ordered the Alion bid in the first place.So you have 5 or 6 crews for the Halifaxes - at 225 per ship?
1125 to 1350 sailors?
Type 31 RN - 80-100 sailors
Type 31 Pol - 100-120 sailors
Absolons - 100 sailors
Huitfeldts - 165 sailors
Type 26 RN - 157 sailors
Type 26 RAN - 180 sailors
Type 26 RCN - 204 sailors
1350 - sailors = 13 Absolons or 8 Huitfeldts
AOPS (in service) - 65 sailors
AOPS (design) - 45 sailors
6 AOPS at design = 120 sailors saved = another Absolon/Huitfeldt.
9-14 CSCs and 6 AOPS.