There‘s so much wrong with that statement, I don‘t know where to begin.
"DO you have any idea why president Bush uses the Term "Evil Doers?" Hmmm, lets see ....might be because it translates well into Arabic....who is stupid? Just a thought "
Alright, please sir if you‘re not calling Arabs stupid, please tell me who? I mean, most Arabs...do..speak..Arabic, and if it is Arabic that Evildoers translates so perfectly into, then we must be talking about Arabs.And if calling someone stupid, isn‘t considered bashing them, then what is?
And I‘ll deal with this first. 90% of Arabs are Muslim. I was raised half muslim and half christian (Which is impossible...yeah pretty much but it still happened), so if we are going to open up this can, by all means. So if we are just talking about muslims here, then 9 times out of 10 you‘re going to get an arab that is a muslim, and that is why it becomes offensive if you say you‘re just talking about muslims because 90% of Arabs are muslim. So take out 10% of them, and you‘ve still go 90% who are offended.
"I would say I am not really keen on the muslim population that believes their ills cam be blamed entirely on the west, christian crusaders, or the zionists."
Ahhh the West (modern). They‘ve exploited the oil, and fought more proxy wars there then I can name. Backing Osama Bin Laden to fight the soviets, and in the process turn an entire country into a mine field. Although in the west‘s defence, we are trying to fix it now. Supported both Iraq and Iran in their war against each other, which is purported to be the bloodiest and most brutal war in this era (They‘re still negotiating over POW‘s and it ended before the first persian gulf).
Christian crusaders, is a problem native to the middle east, so once again back to the Arab question. It wasn‘t so much a problem with the number of lives lost in the crusades (It is very hard to find a definite number) It was a loss of the culture and everything attatched to it. The Arabs/Muslims had been very busy while the west was going through the "Dark ages‘ They had been translating every important work ever printed by anyone, into Arabic learning from it and cataloguing it in one of their HUGE librarys. ENTER the Crusaders, who not only Killed all the Arabs/Muslims/Jews/believe it or not christiansm, that they came across but Burned down the entire town, librarys and all. The works were lost, the history of the people was lost and the dignity of an entire religion an culutre was defaced by the crusaders. So yes it still is a touchy spot.
The Zionists...well...quite frankly this is a subject i do not normally touch with a 10 foot pole, but for you Maj. Anything. The zionist (it is important to distinguish between zionists and Jews RIGHT now) movement, began a war in what is today israel that displaced an entire population of people, turning them into permanent refugees. And is still in contradiction of a UN resolution (ah who cares). So it is not fair to say that all Muslims dislike the zionists (nothing is absolute), but the Palestinian people do not have a voice, someone must speak for them and who better then their muslim brothers (what else is religion good for really). As for television, which comes up later, if you watch a program on i think BET (a station we have in common with you guys down south) it is about donating money to send Jews home to Israel. One of the selling points is that "On average Palestinian familys have 5-7 children, so we need to send as many Jews home to Israel as we can to fight the future battles."
So in summary, it can at least be seen why the Muslim/Arab population of the Middle east CAN blame alot of their "ills" in the West‘s Exploitation, Christian Crusades and Zionism (which as we discussed is native to Palestine, but their fellow muslims have taken up the plight of the crippled people, much in the same spirit you find a Christian helping a fellow christian) And perhaps it isn‘t fair that Muslims blame their Ill‘s on the west, but is it fair that Americans blame THEIR ills on Muslims?
"the 12th century, that is something that they did on their own"
Just for clarification, who are "THey" and what are "They" doing in the 12th century? Last time I checked, Muslims (Arabs, Christians, Jews included) were being cut down and having their culture raped by what could be considered the west. SO I‘m not to sure how the Muslims cut themselves in Half vertically (as was the practice of the Christians). It presents a problem to say the least.
In the future could you please name the television show you were watching, it helps a great deal so I can get a better idea of where you are coming from sir(I do like to have a civil and fair debate). Also I think you will find that Muslims were far more Humane to civilians then the Christian crusaders had ever been and were less likely to be found burning down the librarys and hospitals. While it is never good when another country invades another, so perhaps it would have been fair if the television had shown another side(I mean..I didn‘t make it in the first place but...) but as far as occupation and "encroachments" go, the muslim conquest of Spain had been far more humane then the Christian crusades....or even the Spanish conquest of the new world.
"oh, by the way...not all arabs are muslim and not all muslims are arab, but of course you knew that."
I did know that thankyou sir, but as I said before, 90% of arabs are muslim so when you insult the Muslim population, you also insult 90% of the Arab population.
Well this HAS turned into an excellent forum!!!!!!!!!!!
