Canine units in or Contracted to Canadian Armed Forces

[Noble6]

Noble6 I was bored and did a quick google search. Not sure what province you are from but for ontario you can work security as a K9 handler. See link below. They will train.

http://www.llewellynsecurity.com/jobpage/jobframe.htm

Nice find!! I'll be sure to give them a ring as I've already got most of the training / licensing. Thanks eh!

 

[Loachman]

Correct me if I'm wrong - but its starting to look like when the CF need a canine to get a job done.. they call one in from somewhere else rather than maintaining their own unit. Not surprising but a little disappointing!

If there was a continuing need, and it was high enough up the priority list, we would have dogs.

 

[Noble6]

If there was a continuing need, and it was high enough up the priority list, we would have dogs.

I'll be careful here as I'm not a member of the forces.. but it seems like there's a few high priority things that are quite needed by the military that it doesn't have. Now could you explain what would be a better explosive / threat detecting / room clearing tool than a Belgian Malinois? Not trying to start an argument just looking to learn and confused as to why the CF wouldn't want their soldiers having the best advantage out there! Again I'm no expert on these matters and judging from your status on these forums you're probably a lot more knowledgeable on the matter than I.

-sorry for straying a bit off topic-

 

[Towards_the_gap]

Now could you explain what would be a better explosive / threat detecting / room clearing tool than a Belgian Malinois? Not trying to start an argument just looking to learn and confused as to why the CF wouldn't want their soldiers having the best advantage out there!

Did you read my answer?

The best, absolute best tool for explosive threat detection and clearance (which is my understanding of what you were trying to say) is a soldier. But not just any soldier....A Sapper.

80% of that job is not science or technology but intuition, training, thinking outside the box and thorough, maddening attention to detail.

 

[Noble6]

Fair enough, as you mentioned in your previous post you've had experience in the field with a canine unit whereas I've had none.. maybe i'll get into the sapper trade and hope in the future that I'll get an opportunity to be trained in handling.
Thanks for the enlightenment !

 

[MikeL]

Now could you explain what would be a better ........ room clearing tool than a Belgian Malinois?

How about a group of skilled gunfighters ? 

DDs and frag grenades are handy too 

 

[shaGuar]

I just came off a an Urban Search and Rescue course in Manitoba and they happened to be training dogs for JTF-2 while I was there and I got the opportunity to work with them in terms of searching buildings and such. Much respect is given to them. They are so helpful.

 

[Kat Stevens]

There are de-mining companies that found rats were every bit if not more capable of explosive detection as dogs.  They are also cheaper, easier to train, and are less likely to lose their focus than the dogs.

 

[Towards_the_gap]

There are de-mining companies that found rats were every bit if not more capable of explosive detection as dogs.  They are also cheaper, easier to train, and are less likely to lose their focus than the dogs.

But try selling that to a donor.

And for all the wonderful inventions dreamt up by the demining community (the bozena anyone?), nothing ever beat a dude with a prodder.

 

[daftandbarmy]

But try selling that to a donor.

And for all the wonderful inventions dreamt up by the demining community (the bozena anyone?), nothing ever beat a dude with a prodder.

I know a guy who's done that work. We nick named him 'Blind, One legged Paul'. Ex-Royal Engineer Officer working for a contactor who got blown up prodding for mines in some shite hole.

Bring on the rats, dogs and the fecktards who planted the things in the first place, is all I can say.

 

[mariomike]

I just came off a an Urban Search and Rescue course in Manitoba and they happened to be training dogs for JTF-2 while I was there and I got the opportunity to work with them in terms of searching buildings and such.

I've seen Toronto Heavy Urban Search and Rescue ( HUSAR ) train with dogs.

"HUSAR dog ready for rubble":
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=5810&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

But, when Toronto HUSAR was sent to the mall collapse at Elliot Lake, rescue dogs could not be used.
"Even manoeuvres using a rescue dog would be too risky":
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/elliot-lake-rescue-mission-halted-as-collapsed-mall-deemed-unsafe/article4369654/

 

[JesseWZ]

There are MP K-9 units. In my brief career I have seen various dogs perform various functions for MPs.

 

[Noble6]

Thanks for the info and first hand experiences guys, that's why I posted on these forums in the first place! I've never really consider the SaR route for a canine handling career.. to my knowledge those positions are mostly volunteer?

 

[mariomike]

I've never really consider the SaR route for a canine handling career.. to my knowledge those positions are mostly volunteer?

Toronto HUSAR dog handlers are TPS officers.
http://www.toronto.ca/wes/techservices/oem/husar/capabilities.htm

"The Search component will be managed by Toronto Police Services. Staffing will include Search Managers, K-9 Search Specialists, and Technical Search Specialists."

 

[Precept]

There are MP K-9 units. In my brief career I have seen various dogs perform various functions for MPs.

They're being phased out. I'm pretty sure we're down to one dog now(In Esq.), and after he is retired, there will be no more.

 

[JesseWZ]

I work in Esquimalt, you're incorrect for parts of your post. We have a dog in Pet. The Esquimalt dog (Roxie) has already retired.

 

[teabag87]

The British forces offer 'Dog Handling' and/or RCMP dog handling which can branch out into different types of training.

You may not like the suggestions, but it's all I have.

 

[Noble6]

Hey an answer is an answer regardless if I like it or not, so I appreciate it! In fact this is good to hear as I'm in the recruiting process for reservist MP (interview with the captain this week) and if I understand correctly after 2-3 years of training I'll be eligible for a lateral transfer to the RCMP. That is if I score high enough on my CFAT.. little off topic but does anyone know the %ile I need to score for MP?

 

[teabag87]

That is if I score high enough on my CFAT.. little off topic but does anyone know the %ile I need to score for MP?

For me personally I qualified for all combat arms in the NCM component. I struggled with the Problem Solving, but scored well enough on everything else. I heard that MP is not as hard to get into as you may think. Based on what I think, my rough estimate may be scoring at least 75-80% on all three parts. Again it is just an educated guess, but it seems reasonable.

 

[mariomike]

In fact this is good to hear as I'm in the recruiting process for reservist MP (interview with the captain this week) and if I understand correctly after 2-3 years of training I'll be eligible for a lateral transfer to the RCMP.

"We are currently seeking experienced police officers for vacancies across Canada including Canadian Forces Military Police trained after the year 2000."
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/recruiting-recrutement/rec/lateral-eng.htm#req

To avoid disappointment, you may wish to confirm if that includes Reserve, or if it is limited to Regular Force MP only.

Some discussion of that here.

MP to RCMP 
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/50239.0