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This from the Minister of Veterans Affairs:
More on the bill itself here.
VAC news release, 8 Nov 11
More on the bill itself here.
Cenotaph/Memorial Vandalism/Solutions-Laws (merged)
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aesop081
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We have vandalism laws...........we just suck at enforcing them.
Obviously, a new law that we won't enforce is the answer.
Obviously, a new law that we won't enforce is the answer.
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CDN Aviator said:
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:goodpost:E.R. Campbell said:
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News Talk 980 CJME, 30 Nov 11
Veterans Affairs minister agrees it's bad:
Canadian Press, 1 Dec 11
Tory MP happy to see government support new law:
Early November I noticed that the bronze plaque was missing on our cenotaph.
With some of the aluminium light posts sawn down by someone
to sell as scrap metal, I was startled and disgusted to think that somebody
would do such a thing. I checked the local newspapers and couldn't find anything about it.
I checked it out regularly.
But then just before Remembrance day, there it was, just a shining like
someone did a whole lot of extra duties.
With some of the aluminium light posts sawn down by someone
to sell as scrap metal, I was startled and disgusted to think that somebody
would do such a thing. I checked the local newspapers and couldn't find anything about it.
I checked it out regularly.
But then just before Remembrance day, there it was, just a shining like
someone did a whole lot of extra duties.
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Dirtbags must be dirtbags................ :soldier:
Stolen soldiers' grave markers sold for scrap metal
Erica Bajer, QMI Agency
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 07:38 PM EST
ST. CATHARINES, ONT. - More than 150 metal maple leaf markers, which stand proudly alongside Canadian flags on the graves of local soldiers at Victoria Lawn Cemetery, have been stolen.
And police say the metal markers were sold for scrap.
"These people don't realize what we did for the world," veteran Harry Dobell, 91, of St. Catharines, said. "I feel very mad about it."
Dobell, who fought in the Second World War in an anti-aircraft regiment, said the metal markers commemorate the valiant efforts of the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice in the fight for freedom.
He said they are a reminder to never forget.
Police said their investigation led them to a home on Queenston St. where some of the markers were found.
Dave Jewers, 41, and Chris Brisley, 36, each face one count of theft over $5,000, police said.
They are scheduled to appear in court in March.
Mike Gander of the Royal Canadian Legion branch 138 in Merritton, Ont., was outraged to hear about the thefts.
"These veterans gave them the privilege to be here to steal," he said of the culprits.
Gander, 61, who served in the reserves and Canadian Forces during peacetime, checked on the graves of his father and grandfathers Thursday. While the markers remained with his loved ones, some had been stolen from the graves of friends.
"Stealing from veterans' graves is just absolutely disgusting," he said.
Gander said the legion has been providing the markers for as long as he can remember. He recalled visiting the cemetery with his father as a child and seeing the metal maple leafs.
"He's probably spinning in his grave right now," Gander said of his father.
He said there are thousands of the markers in the cemetery. Older ones are made of bronze but the majority are cast aluminum, he said.
Niagara Regional Police Staff Sgt. Shawn Clarkson said the thefts were reported Tuesday around 11 a.m. and within two hours members of the street crimes unit had two suspects in their sights. He said the thefts occurred within the past week.
He credits tips from the public in helping crack the case so quickly.
Clarkson said 153 kilograms of the markers, about 80 to 90 of them, were recovered from local scrap yards. He expects the rest of the metal maple leafs will also be returned to the cemetery.
He said each maple leaf marker weighs about 2.25 kg and the newer ones cost $50 each to make.
Clarkson said the tips didn't come from the scrap yards. However, the businesses did co-operate with police during the investigation.
"They are unique and there are some questions they (scrap yards) will have to answer," he said.
He said the Canadian flags that accompany the markers were discarded in a heap in the cemetery.
"They are going after the metal. It's not just metal to citizens, it's something else -- it's something symbolic that shouldn't be touched," he said. "It's quite disturbing to have this happen to fallen soldiers' graves."
Cemetery services supervisor Tim Lagace said this is the first time he can recall a theft of this sort happening locally.
"We haven't had any vandalism here in a number of years," he said.
He said a member of the grounds crew noticed the missing markers and contacted police.
"We're just in the process of putting them back on the graves," he said, noting staff was happy to help return the markers.
ebajer@stcatharinesstandard.ca
Stolen soldiers' grave markers sold for scrap metal
Erica Bajer, QMI Agency
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 07:38 PM EST
ST. CATHARINES, ONT. - More than 150 metal maple leaf markers, which stand proudly alongside Canadian flags on the graves of local soldiers at Victoria Lawn Cemetery, have been stolen.
And police say the metal markers were sold for scrap.
"These people don't realize what we did for the world," veteran Harry Dobell, 91, of St. Catharines, said. "I feel very mad about it."
Dobell, who fought in the Second World War in an anti-aircraft regiment, said the metal markers commemorate the valiant efforts of the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice in the fight for freedom.
He said they are a reminder to never forget.
Police said their investigation led them to a home on Queenston St. where some of the markers were found.
Dave Jewers, 41, and Chris Brisley, 36, each face one count of theft over $5,000, police said.
They are scheduled to appear in court in March.
Mike Gander of the Royal Canadian Legion branch 138 in Merritton, Ont., was outraged to hear about the thefts.
"These veterans gave them the privilege to be here to steal," he said of the culprits.
Gander, 61, who served in the reserves and Canadian Forces during peacetime, checked on the graves of his father and grandfathers Thursday. While the markers remained with his loved ones, some had been stolen from the graves of friends.
"Stealing from veterans' graves is just absolutely disgusting," he said.
Gander said the legion has been providing the markers for as long as he can remember. He recalled visiting the cemetery with his father as a child and seeing the metal maple leafs.
"He's probably spinning in his grave right now," Gander said of his father.
He said there are thousands of the markers in the cemetery. Older ones are made of bronze but the majority are cast aluminum, he said.
Niagara Regional Police Staff Sgt. Shawn Clarkson said the thefts were reported Tuesday around 11 a.m. and within two hours members of the street crimes unit had two suspects in their sights. He said the thefts occurred within the past week.
He credits tips from the public in helping crack the case so quickly.
Clarkson said 153 kilograms of the markers, about 80 to 90 of them, were recovered from local scrap yards. He expects the rest of the metal maple leafs will also be returned to the cemetery.
He said each maple leaf marker weighs about 2.25 kg and the newer ones cost $50 each to make.
Clarkson said the tips didn't come from the scrap yards. However, the businesses did co-operate with police during the investigation.
"They are unique and there are some questions they (scrap yards) will have to answer," he said.
He said the Canadian flags that accompany the markers were discarded in a heap in the cemetery.
"They are going after the metal. It's not just metal to citizens, it's something else -- it's something symbolic that shouldn't be touched," he said. "It's quite disturbing to have this happen to fallen soldiers' graves."
Cemetery services supervisor Tim Lagace said this is the first time he can recall a theft of this sort happening locally.
"We haven't had any vandalism here in a number of years," he said.
He said a member of the grounds crew noticed the missing markers and contacted police.
"We're just in the process of putting them back on the graves," he said, noting staff was happy to help return the markers.
ebajer@stcatharinesstandard.ca
OldSolduer
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These two should be publicly shamed if convicted.
The scrapyards, if they knowingly bought stolen property, should be made to pay for the replacement markers.
Scum. Dirt. Trash.
The scrapyards, if they knowingly bought stolen property, should be made to pay for the replacement markers.
Scum. Dirt. Trash.
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Jim Seggie said:
Yes, they are Scum. Dirt. Trash and POS.
This crap is rampant in the UK as well. Their British cousins both thieves and dealers have been working over cenotaphs and other memorials from one end of the island to the other. For people like these the use of stocks should be re-instituted, at places where they are guaranteed to have the maximum exposure to the elements and people's scorn. I'd gladly buy some rotten tomatoes to share with them. :rage:
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Pretty. F****ing. Low.
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These two guys see the government (VAC, SISIP) stealing from soldiers everyday, so they figured they could get away with it also.
the two guys and those responsible for stealing daily from CF members and Veterans.
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F/N A Jim S.
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So half of them rotten and the other half fresh?
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FlyingDutchman said:
With some small rocks included.
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I won't name names here, but it appears they've been identified:
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/22/stolen-soldiers-grave-markers-sold-for-scrap-metal
We'll keep in mind that the courts have to process any charges yet...
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/02/22/stolen-soldiers-grave-markers-sold-for-scrap-metal
We'll keep in mind that the courts have to process any charges yet...
