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CF "launch probe after Afghan family claims slain teen was unarmed"
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Discloser: I have never been to Afghanistan, never will, and have never had an enemy shoot at me.
This is just stupid. The useless opposition parties in Canada, the liberal media, the idiots who write the dribble at the CBC/G & M etc comments section believe anything because they hate PM Harper, and the CPC.
Most of these parliamentarians and repeaters
Can you imagine, Canadian soldiers, in action, having to constantly watch their back to ensure they are not back stabbed by another Canadian? Who is the enemy?
Unfortunately this is what is happening now just to get at the PM.
This is just stupid. The useless opposition parties in Canada, the liberal media, the idiots who write the dribble at the CBC/G & M etc comments section believe anything because they hate PM Harper, and the CPC.
Most of these parliamentarians and repeaters
them, but at least I have an understanding, they don't.
Can you imagine, Canadian soldiers, in action, having to constantly watch their back to ensure they are not back stabbed by another Canadian? Who is the enemy?
Unfortunately this is what is happening now just to get at the PM.
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Hopefully a thorough investigation is conducted, and justice is served. While my value system tends me to lean towards the soldiers being in the right, having NIS investigating is more than just an investigation. It's our military speaking to the world of our professionalisim, and high standards we hold our Officers and Men to.
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It won't matter in the "Court of Public Opinion" what the results are. If a soldier is found to be at fault, the media will crucify him and the CF.dogger1936 said:
If he is cleared its a "cover up".
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MAS,
Your assessment is pretty much bang on, but such is the business.
Soldiers are given legal authority to use lethal force under certain conditions; it's not a blank cheque to kill everyone claiming "I was at war and war sucks" (not saying you're stating that, I'm just putting it out there).
If something like this doesn't get questioned, then the inevitable outcome is that next year it's a bit worse, a bit worse, a bit worse, and eventually someone gives the "do the village" order.
But I completely agree with you that for this poor guy it is terrible because even if it comes out that he did nothing wrong, all the cbc.ca "agree"/"disagree" cowboys are going to state the CF covered it up and protects its own, even though we charge far more of our own than civilian courts ever do (and I've never seen a summary investigation end with an acquittal due to a technicality).
Your assessment is pretty much bang on, but such is the business.
Soldiers are given legal authority to use lethal force under certain conditions; it's not a blank cheque to kill everyone claiming "I was at war and war sucks" (not saying you're stating that, I'm just putting it out there).
If something like this doesn't get questioned, then the inevitable outcome is that next year it's a bit worse, a bit worse, a bit worse, and eventually someone gives the "do the village" order.
But I completely agree with you that for this poor guy it is terrible because even if it comes out that he did nothing wrong, all the cbc.ca "agree"/"disagree" cowboys are going to state the CF covered it up and protects its own, even though we charge far more of our own than civilian courts ever do (and I've never seen a summary investigation end with an acquittal due to a technicality).
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I concur with you. Damned if we do and damned if we don't
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The perception amongst those want to believe this testimony is*:
Not only did we shoot an innocent man, we also planted a gun on his corpse.
Its a no-win for us, regardlss of the truth.
*For those who are not following this story, and did not understand that these are the allegations that are before the CDS.
Not only did we shoot an innocent man, we also planted a gun on his corpse.
Its a no-win for us, regardlss of the truth.
*For those who are not following this story, and did not understand that these are the allegations that are before the CDS.
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SFB said:
Whoa whoa whoa...what we have is (unless you are stating you were there and are personally claiming to be a witness) one Afghan making a statement that resulted in something being investigated.
Your comments look a lot like you're positive that it happened.
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I remember being at a range after a QRF call in Afganistan. Rolled back into our FOB only to turn on the news to realize we were murderers of children. The "ex mujuhadeen" who brought the dead bodies to kandahar with the "death to Canada" chant club, said we had killed them.
Suddenly choppers full of CFNIS and op's launched out to the site....then they quickly noticed the fragments that ended the childrens lifes were from a differnt era.
However for a good week after our long days during QRF we would come home to our little bunker and watch ourselves being blamed on Canadian television for being kid killers.
http://www.canada.com/news/Afghan+boys+killed+Taliban+bomb+Canadian+military/1344434/story.html
Athough I did say it was a great thing we do investigate, I had overlooked that there is a young man/woman now being investigated for murder they most likely did not commit. My thoughts go out towards that individual and his family.
Suddenly choppers full of CFNIS and op's launched out to the site....then they quickly noticed the fragments that ended the childrens lifes were from a differnt era.
However for a good week after our long days during QRF we would come home to our little bunker and watch ourselves being blamed on Canadian television for being kid killers.
http://www.canada.com/news/Afghan+boys+killed+Taliban+bomb+Canadian+military/1344434/story.html
Athough I did say it was a great thing we do investigate, I had overlooked that there is a young man/woman now being investigated for murder they most likely did not commit. My thoughts go out towards that individual and his family.
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I have said before, in another thread, there is an organized campaign, waged by activist in the West, in America, in Britain, in Canada and Denmark and so on, which aims to emasculate our foreign policy by making citizens and politicians afraid to intervene around the world to protect and promote our vital interests. I do not suggest that e.g. Profs. Attaran and Byers are in league with al Qaeda or the Taliban but there is a symbiotic relationship - one feeds upon the other and they share a common aim.
I am certain that people like Profs. Attaran and Byers care deeply, honestly and, indeed, commendably about "doing the right things and doing things right," but their standards are absolute, admitting no deviation from their interpretation of the written word. It is my belief that some activists have a goal of taking at least one very, very senior Canadian - preferably a politician, maybe a soldier - to some kangaroo court in Europe to face a war crimes trial. That can happen if, big IF, it can be shown that the government f Canada is unable or unwilling to investigate and eventually prosecute a case based on a credible accusation of a war crime. The first task is to make the accusation credible. In that tasks the activists find many willing, indeed eager 'fellow travelers' in the media, the latter group having assigned itself the role of unofficial opposition.
There is an enemy out there; it wants to restore barbarism to the world; it wants to shatter civilization and the first step is to make us reluctant, even afraid to 'dirty our hands' with the business of pushing back the barbarians when they decide to spread their tentacles into parts of the world, like Afghanistan, like Malaysia, where we cannot see an obvious, pressing, vital interest at stake. The enemy is aided and abetted by the homegrown, Canadian activists - people who are, in turn, spurred on by the likes of Profs. Attaran and Byers - albeit unwittingly.
A lack of wits, amongst almost all participants - activists, soldiers, scholars, politician and the media - lies at the root of the problem.
Edit: typo
I am certain that people like Profs. Attaran and Byers care deeply, honestly and, indeed, commendably about "doing the right things and doing things right," but their standards are absolute, admitting no deviation from their interpretation of the written word. It is my belief that some activists have a goal of taking at least one very, very senior Canadian - preferably a politician, maybe a soldier - to some kangaroo court in Europe to face a war crimes trial. That can happen if, big IF, it can be shown that the government f Canada is unable or unwilling to investigate and eventually prosecute a case based on a credible accusation of a war crime. The first task is to make the accusation credible. In that tasks the activists find many willing, indeed eager 'fellow travelers' in the media, the latter group having assigned itself the role of unofficial opposition.
There is an enemy out there; it wants to restore barbarism to the world; it wants to shatter civilization and the first step is to make us reluctant, even afraid to 'dirty our hands' with the business of pushing back the barbarians when they decide to spread their tentacles into parts of the world, like Afghanistan, like Malaysia, where we cannot see an obvious, pressing, vital interest at stake. The enemy is aided and abetted by the homegrown, Canadian activists - people who are, in turn, spurred on by the likes of Profs. Attaran and Byers - albeit unwittingly.
A lack of wits, amongst almost all participants - activists, soldiers, scholars, politician and the media - lies at the root of the problem.
Edit: typo
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SFB said:
I think SFB was stating what the media, or at least some of them would say.
I do like your post ER, but I have deep suspicion that there are people here that are in league with AQ, and who are using the "useful fools" (Stalin's words) among us to do their dirty work.
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My mistake for making not my statement more clear. I have edited it.
It is the perception of guilt being pressed forward by certain parties in the media that suggest this testimony alleges that we did the things I mentioned above.
The problem is that regardless of how well the CF brings forward evidence to debunk these claims, there are persons with agendas who will discount it as lies or as a coverup.
It is the perception of guilt being pressed forward by certain parties in the media that suggest this testimony alleges that we did the things I mentioned above.
The problem is that regardless of how well the CF brings forward evidence to debunk these claims, there are persons with agendas who will discount it as lies or as a coverup.
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