[quote author=armyvern=]Islamic fundamentalists are alive and well in Canada my dear. Landed immigrants/past refugee claimants who are now Canadian Citizens I'm sure are among them.[/quote]
Sure, it may be. I never said there weren't terrorists in Canada, I said only that terrorists won't attack Canada. I said it a few times, did you miss that part?
Islamic fundamentalists aren't terrorists until they commit a terrorist act or conspire to commit a terrorist act. Until then, they're just practicing their Charter rights. Resist all urges to send them all to some sort of concentration camp. If they don't commit or plan terrorist acts, they're not terrorists. Should the threat of that they may possibly commit some sort of terrorist act justify increased military spending? No. I support increased defense spending for legitimate reasons, but this is nothing more than fear mongering. Besides, assume for a second that Osama bin Laden is hiding in Canada, planning to blow up Roger's Center. Who could best deal with this situation? The Canadian Forces, or CSIS, the RCMP or Provincial or municipal police? The police, obviously, which is why defense spending is not justified in light of this alleged terrorist threat, and why the government doesn't increase defense spending to deal with terrorism, except perhaps to placate voters. If you want to argue, try to counter points I actually make, instead of trying to put words in my mouth.
[quote author=armyvern=]Because the Upper Canada Rebellion was not a terrorist action brought about by terrorists.[/quote]
Why not? If you consider the LTTE and the FLQ to be terrorist groups, why aren't the rebels from the UCR? Not only did they inflict more casualties than the FLQ, the government also dealt with them far more harshly. The only reason they weren't branded terrorist is because the word wasn't used at the time.
[quote author=armyvern=]Deliberately planned and actioned on Canadian soil (although the end-result occurred on foreign soils) by anded immigrants with Canadian citizenship as noted above. Therefore, a Canadian crime. Remember the trial?[/quote]
So that means you have some Canadian citizens and immigrants who are guilty of committing a terrorist act (though they were found to be not-guilty.) Did they attack Canada? Was their goal to attack the Canadian government or Canadian society? No. As a result of the Air India attacks, should the Canadian government increase military spending? No.
[quote author=armyvern=]No but they certainly tried to involve us now didn't they? Deliberately once again. How blind are you really?[/quote]
Sure, they tried to legitimize their cause, and the Prime Minister attended because tens of thousands of Canadian Tamils support them. That doesn't change the fact that their organization is allegedly responsible for acts of terrorism, but did they attack Canada? No. Were they trying to attack or harm the Canadian government or Canadian society? No, quite the opposite.
[quote author=armyvern=]Some of these attacks were planned and carried out on Canadian soil, when somebody abuses our country like that...I like to think of it as an attack upon our morals and country... apparently you seem to justify it's not meaning anything.[/quote]
Sure, they abused our country and its laws. Does that make them terrorists? No. Do counterfeit DVD and drug smugglers who use Canada as a gateway to the US abuse Canada and its laws? Yes. Are they terrorists? No. Is Israel a terrorist state for assassinating Gerald Bull in Belgium? No. An attack on "morals and country" does not constitute terrorism. By such a lose definition, gay marriage or abortion campaigners could be considered terrorists by tens of thousands. Ask yourself, did they attack Canada? No, they did not.
[quote author=armyvern=]A company which employed Canadian workers and was located where?? Toronto. I guess that does in fact make it an attack upon Canada. Unless, of course, I've missed when exactly Toronto really did become a country of it's own.[/quote]
Yeah, you got me. I just checked map and Toronto isn't a country. Did they bomb Litton because it employed Canadians or because it was located in Toronto? No, they bombed it because it was an American defense contractor that designed and manufactured components for American cruise missiles. I agree that this is an act of terrorism that occurred within Canada, I never said it wasn't. This is probably the best case you'll be able to reference, and it took place over 23 years ago. Not to mention, it in no way justifies increasing the CF's budget.
[quote author=armyvern=]But those involved were not your average law-abiding citizens either.[/quote]
I never said they were, I simply stated that the Canadian Government does not consider them to be terrorists.
[quote author=armyvern=]Another permanent visitor to Canada who used our soil to deliberately plan his attack on a foreign soil. That makes Canada a part of the activity and also made it a criminal offense in this country, whether you want to admit it or not.[/quote]
Again, it's as if you're trying to argue something I'm not. I said he didn't attack Canada. He didn't. Is he a terrorist? Yes. Should Canada have arrested him if possible? Yes. Would have increasing the Canadian Forces' budget led to an arrest? No. What's your point?
[quote author=armyvern=]Let's see now, foreign citizens and Islamic radicals (some of whom are Canadian Citizens) are right now planning attacks wherever. These people degrade our Country by perpetuating their crap and planning their activities on our soil, and some are doing so right now. Whether or not the physically attack occurs in our country is irrelevant, they are already committing a crime in this nation and therefore attacking the very foundations of Canada.[/quote]
Unless they attack Canada, I'm right, because I've never contended that there are no terrorists in Canada. Increasing the CF's budget won't stop these people from entering Canada or planning terrorist acts. If Canada wants to stop them, it should rather implement tougher border regulations, particularly focused on screening for foreign terrorists and criminals, and should increase the budget police forces have to investigate suspected terrorists.
Again, terrorists won't attack Canada.