Chest Rig preference

[markppcli]

Long endurance for sure can, but the absolute proliferation of short endurance UAS largely characteristic of your reference of choice works poorly those environments; with the arctic (and we'll toss in sub-arctic during winter in there) being the worst of the lot. The insulated batteries don't work as well as advertised and a bunch of heating packs taped to it doesn't work well either.

Dont need to be that long of endurance to work over the flot

And from what I've heard from some friends at Vandoos on the jungle side, short endurance UAS also has difficulties there with weather, climate and vegetation.

Potentially, veg will be the largest factor.

So is there a good chance we might be detected during some part of this theoretical patrol of ours? Probably. BUT, depending on the environment there very well may be obstacles or conditions that require folks to temporarily pack their armour to clear said obstacle.

Change your mindset - detected equals engaged. So stripping armour is a high risk activity. Plan your route accordingly.

I take it you've never done an amphibious exercise in Europe, or done a Norway before and that's fine; but I sure as hell can tell you that climbing is very much not a SOF specific skillset that's just specific to mountains; and there have been multiple times conventional forces have had to make use of vertical skills in the past 70 years on operations and training (to include Afghanistan).

Please provide an example of conventional coalition forces doing lead climbing in Afghanistan. Or any other conflict actually. Or any rope / technical climbing.

And to reiterate: I never specified that armour would be absent or stowed for the infil? But there are times where it makes sense to take it off for specific tasks or obstacles where it becomes a detriment (such as lead climbing or swimming). Sure, the ruck is the same weight but I can use the ruck as a floatation device even with the armour inside it; and when climbing the frag vest restricts a lot of the range of motion you need to ascend a vertical face that isn't just a 8-12 foot wall.

All I was in support for was having an armour system that can be stripped down and is compatible with chest rigs (via placards or running it over) or belt kits referencing a use case; and that we look at side hard plates more so than soft side armour which is a fine middle ground for shrapnel/low velocity projectiles.

 

[MedCorps]

There was also the case back in 20/21 where a soldier was killed on a live range when they were shot in the back while wearing training plates. When hit the plates pretty much act like a claymore into the body.

That was also a reservist attending a 3VP range so just another example of the 3 kingdoms each having their own ideas of safety leading to people getting killed.

If you are referring to the 3 PPCLI range accident 30 Oct 2020 Wainwright that killed Cpl Choi of the Royal Westminster Regiment... I have read the BOI and that is not what the coroner suggested at all. There was no discussion of fragmenting training plate acting like a Claymore.

 

[markppcli]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/s/egMEit9jGf

The instructions for the new DICE armour was posted. Includes a break down of what will be issued.

 

[daftandbarmy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianForces/s/egMEit9jGf

The instructions for the new DICE armour was posted. Includes a break down of what will be issued.

Um, no expert here but that looks pretty good...

 

[markppcli]

Yeah huge improvement