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CIA director David Petraeus resigns citing extramarital affair.

PrairieThunder said:
I understand that part, but if it's not hurting anyone except for your other relationship, and isn't affecting how you perform your duties; who is to say that because you have (had) an affair that you can't work anymore?

Hard to trust someone in a position of high trust when the person that's supposed to trust them with everything can't do that anymore...Director of the CIA is a position of high trust, having an affair could put him at risk for blackmail, comprmising operations and such.  If his wife can't trust him anymore, would you as his boss?

MM
 
ObedientiaZelum said:
If he lied to his wife about their marriage what's to stop him from telling a little white lie about something else?

President Truman was quoted as saying, "If a man lies to his wife, he will lie to me."
 
medicineman said:
Hard to trust someone in a position of high trust when the person that's supposed to trust them with everything can't do that anymore...Director of the CIA is a position of high trust, having an affair could put him at risk for blackmail, comprmising operations and such.  If his wife can't trust him anymore, would you as his boss?

MM

ObedientiaZelum said:
For a private I'm sure it's not a big deal. For someone responsible for thousands of lives and national interests lying denotes a character flaw.
If he lied to his wife about their marriage what's to stop him from telling a little white lie about something else? Or a little cover up?

He gets the big bucks
He gets the nice parking spot
He gets to live under a microscope

Good point.

However, have you ever had a phenomenal NCO at some point that everyone looked at and said: "I wish I could be as great of a leader as him/her." ? Only later to find out after they've retired/released that they were having an affair or were into other things not so "kosher". Would you then take it all back and completely dismiss them and everything they told you? Would you then question their leadership abilities and the performance of their duties? Some people can do mighty fine at their jobs/careers, but once they're back home and the uniform is off... they don't know how to handle themselves.

I understand that trust is lost, but it doesn't necessarily mean that their duties and abilities are also affected. As Director of the CIA, okay I can understand that an affair can be seen as highly poisonous and resignation is justifiable.

I'm not trying to say that what he did, if in fact is true, was right; just exploring the thoughts of others.
 
Why are you playing devils advocate?

You can't differentiate the difference between good'ol Sergeant Smith from recruit training and the director of the Centeral Intelligence Agency?

::)
 
Try this on for size, and then tell me it doesn't matter:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/09/paula-broadwell-david-petraeus-affair-2012/

Poor judgement on his part, and very cunning of her.
 
Well, Broadwell is a looker.  At least he didn't pull an Arnie....
 
ObedientiaZelum said:
Why are you playing devils advocate?

You can't differentiate the difference between good'ol Sergeant Smith from recruit training and the director of the Centeral Intelligence Agency?

::)

It's the same in principle. It has nothing to do with being able to tell the difference (which I can tell, thank you very much), all I am saying is why force someone into resignation over an affair, if he kept true to his duties and responsibilities of his position?

If read my previous post, I said I'm not defending him or saying that his affair is okay/right thing to do; and in such a high position of authority it can be highly poisonous.

Just exploring thoughts, so don't think this is anything that actually believe. I'm not that dense.
 
Resigning was absolutely the right thing to do.

With everything going on neither the CIA nor the Presidency have the time to deal with the distraction this would cause.

There's always someone else available that can do the job.
 
PrairieThunder said:
It's the same in principle. It has nothing to do with being able to tell the difference (which I can tell, thank you very much), all I am saying is why force someone into resignation over an affair, if he kept true to his duties and responsibilities of his position?

If read my previous post, I said I'm not defending him or saying that his affair is okay/right thing to do; and in such a high position of authority it can be highly poisonous.

Just exploring thoughts, so don't think this is anything that actually believe. I'm not that dense.

Did you actually read RDJP's link to the National Post story.  He didn't stay true to his duties and position and compromised it actually.  His actions became a security risk in a job where security is everything.
 
Crantor said:
Did you actually read RDJP's link to the National Post story.  He didn't stay true to his duties and position and compromised it actually.  His actions became a security risk in a job where security is everything.

I noticed it well after I published the post.
 
PrairieThunder said:
all I am saying is why force someone into resignation over an affair, if he kept true to his duties and responsibilities of his position?

PrairieThunder said:
in such a high position of authority it can be highly poisonous.
 
Just watched an interview with Richard Engle, and he alluded to the fact that Petraeus was not well liked in the old boys club of the CIA insiders. And the fact that the FBI was asked by the CIA to do an investigation that would normally have fallen to the CIA's own security apparatus seems to point to something with deeper implications coming down the pipe.

I'm pretty sure that the overriding drive for the General was integrity and honour. One comment I heard today was that with the CIA's policy of terminating employment for actions which could make one susceptible to blackmail or coercion, how could he stay and judge people for actions which he himself was guilty of. There was no way he could stay and still have whatever respect and  loyalty of the "troops" he was in charge of.

Which makes what Richard Engle alluded to all the more interesting.
 
Haletown said:
Just announced . .  he will NOT be participating in the Benghazi Inquiry and will NOT testify under oath.

Based on the timing of the announcement, I suspect this is the desired outcome (for a great many people), and any attempts to make General Petraeus testify will be blocked.
 
Oh yeah, based on that National Post article, he totally had to resign. It looks like not only that he had a mistress, but that his mistress was possibly using her access to him to steal classified documents.

Having a mistress can be a security risk. When your mistress gains access to classified material, that's a security violation.
 
Thucydides said:
Based on the timing of the announcement, I suspect this is the desired outcome (for a great many people), and any attempts to make General Petraeus testify will be blocked.

Makes for a great praetorian.
 
Then there is nothing to distract from the "Hillary taking the bullet for the President" , letting it quietly die in the background and not raise it's ugly head come 2015/16.....
 
New York Times

November 9, 2012

Woman Linked to Petraeus Is a West Point Graduate and Lifelong High Achiever

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR


WASHINGTON — Paula Broadwell, whose affair with the nation’s C.I.A. director led to his resignation on Friday, was the valedictorian of her high school class and homecoming queen, a fitness champion at West Point with a graduate degree from Harvard, and a model for a machine gun manufacturer.

It may have been those qualities — and a string of achievements that began in her native North Dakota, where she was state student council president, an all-state basketball player and orchestra concertmistress — that drew the attention of David H. Petraeus, the nation’s top spy and a four-star general, as the two spent hours together for a biography of Mr. Petraeus that Ms. Broadwell co-wrote.

Ms. Broadwell’s name burst into public view on Friday evening after Mr. Petraeus resigned abruptly amid an F.B.I. investigation that uncovered evidence of their relationship.

But Ms. Broadwell was hardly shy about her interactions with Mr. Petraeus as she promoted her book, “All In: The Education of General David Petraeus,” in media appearances earlier this year. She had unusual access, she noted in promotional appearances, taping many of her interviews for her book while running six-minute miles with Mr. Petraeus in the thin mountain air of the Afghan capital.

Ms. Broadwell said in an interview in February that Mr. Petraeus was enjoying his new civilian life at the C.I.A., where he became director in September 2011. “It was a huge growth period for him, because he realized he didn’t have to hide behind the shield of all those medals and stripes on his arm,” she said. Ms. Broadwell was 39 at the time.

Her biography on the Penguin Speakers Bureau Web site says that she is a research associate at Harvard’s Center for Public Leadership and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of War Studies at King’s College London. She received a master’s in public administration from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

A self-described “soccer mom” and an ironman triathlete, Ms. Broadwell became a fixture on the Washington media scene after the publication of her book about Mr. Petraeus, who is 60. In a Twitter message this summer, she bragged about appearing on a panel at the Aspen Institute, a policy group for deep thinkers.

“Heading 2 @AspenInstitute 4 the Security Forum tomorrow! Panel (media & terrorism) followed by a 1v1 run with Lance Armstrong,” she wrote. “Fired up!”

On her Twitter account, she often commented on the qualities of leadership. “Reason and calm judgment, the qualities specially belonging to a leader. Tacitus,” she wrote. In another message, she said: “A leader is a man who has the ability to get other people to do what they don’t want to do and like it. Truman.”

She also used her Twitter account to denounce speculation in the Drudge Report that Mr. Petraeus would be picked as a running mate by Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president.

Married with two children, she was described in a biography on the Web site of Inspired Women Magazine as a high achiever since high school.

The biography says that Ms. Broadwell received a degree in political geography and systems engineering from West Point, where she was ranked No. 1 over all in fitness in her class. She benefited from a different ranking scale for women, she told a reporter this year. But “I was still in the top 5 percent if I’d been ranked as a male,” she said.

The official Web site for Ms. Broadwell’s book was taken down Friday, but comments from her echoed across the Internet.

“I was driven when I was younger,” she was quoted as saying on the Web site, noting her induction into her high school’s hall of fame. “Driven at West Point where it was much more competitive in that women were competing with men on many levels, and I was driven in the military and at Harvard, both competitive environments.”

“But now,” she is quoted as saying, “as a working mother of two, I realize it is more difficult to compete in certain areas. I think it is important for working moms to recognize that family is the most important.”

On “The Daily Show,” Jon Stewart summed up Ms. Broadwell’s book by saying: “I would say the real controversy here is, is he awesome or incredibly awesome?”A short time later, Ms. Broadwell challenged Mr. Stewart to a push-up contest, which she won handily. Mr. Stewart had to pay $1,000 to a veterans’ support group for each push-up she did beyond his total. Ms. Broadwell said that he wrote a check for $20,000 on the spot.

On Friday evening, her house in the Dilworth neighborhood of Charlotte, N.C., was dark when a reporter rang the doorbell. Two cars were in the home’s carport and an American flag was flying out front.


Viv Bernstein contributed reporting from Charlotte, N.C.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/linked-to-petraeus-paula-broadwell-is-lifelong-high-achiever.html?hp
 
PrairieThunder said:
The other thing that gets me is, why do things you do in the privacy of your own home (or the home of someone else  ;) ) behind closed doors, dictate whether you keep your job or not?

When people say "I'm resigning because I got caught cheating on my spouse" it stinks of other controversial wrong-doing, other than something like an affair that holds no penalty to one's employment.

Because he is the Director of the CIA, the US spy agency. Not a good position to be in. The `honey trap`is likely one of the first things thay tell you to avoid at spy school.

Not saying this is the case, but a lesser being may have decided to trade secrets for being blackmailed by the other side and them staying quiet about the relationship.
 
On “The Daily Show,” Jon Stewart summed up Ms. Broadwell’s book by saying: “I would say the real controversy here is, is he awesome or incredibly awesome?”A short time later, Ms. Broadwell challenged Mr. Stewart to a push-up contest, which she won handily. Mr. Stewart had to pay $1,000 to a veterans’ support group for each push-up she did beyond his total. Ms. Broadwell said that he wrote a check for $20,000 on the spot.
  I like her.  ;D

That, and comparing pics of her and the General's wife.....well, good on 'im.


And that folks is the extent of the intellectual depth I figure this earth-shattering topic warrants. 
 
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