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Class Action Suit against NVC & "Govt has no obligation to soldiers"

reccecrewman said:
Are we done with the martyrdom? Seriously!  The point is filling out a questionnaire once a year to extend your benefits IS NOT A NATIONAL NEWS ISSUE! It takes about 30 minutes to complete, ONCE A YEAR.

Not to mention, he, and the news agencies keep on saying VAC or the Government is making him do this year after year - NO! It's the INSURANCE COMPANY! I get a lot of people love to hate on VAC and the Government, but the axe he has to grind with regards to his annual questionnaire does NOT involve the Government or VAC!

And neither is it part of the thread and the lawsuit. We've squirreled around a bit with it, but it's time to get back to the actual subject.

Go start another thread if you still need your soapbox.

No more derails and tangents.

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When DND sent the mother of a slain soldier a check for 1 cent I seen enough people defending DND saying it's the systems fault and it's just how it is.

That's not a valid excuse anymore than "that's how we've always done it".

If this is "just a part of the system" then we can change the system. If it's the insurance company that's being hammerheads then the government can butt heads with them and fix it. It sounds like Mr O'Toole intends to do just that.  That goes for the rest  of the VA shirt comings too.
 
Jarnhamar said:
When DND sent the mother of a slain soldier a check for 1 cent I seen enough people defending DND saying it's the systems fault and it's just how it is.

That's not a valid excuse anymore than "that's how we've always done it".

If this is "just a part of the system" then we can change the system. If it's the insurance company that's being hammerheads then the government can butt heads with them and fix it. It sounds like Mr O'Toole intends to do just that.  That goes for the rest  of the VA shirt comings too.

You are bang on the money!
 
Jarnhamar said:
When DND sent the mother of a slain soldier a check for 1 cent I seen enough people defending DND saying it's the systems fault and it's just how it is.

That's not a valid excuse anymore than "that's how we've always done it".

If this is "just a part of the system" then we can change the system. If it's the insurance company that's being hammerheads then the government can butt heads with them and fix it. It sounds like Mr O'Toole intends to do just that.  That goes for the rest  of the VA shirt comings too.

Here's hoping.
 
From the recent announcement of promotions and positions:

•Brigadier-General M.P. Jorgensen will be seconded to Veterans Affairs Canada.

This might make things interesting.  Looks like they are trying to clean the place up a bit.
 
Strike said:
From the recent announcement of promotions and positions:

This might make things interesting.  Looks like they are trying to clean the place up a bit.
Not the first time they've sent people in uniform that way ....
dapaterson said:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?cat=00&id=3716

(....)

    * Brig.-Gen. H.F. Jaeger was seconded to Veterans Affairs Canada, in Ottawa;

(....)
My memory is weak on specifics, but other military folk have also been seconded to VAC over time.  Appointments are easy, change not so much - especially if it'll cost $.
 
Right, but BGen Jaeger had a specific task, as the National Medical Officer. http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/news/salute/article/768

I can't find from BGen Jorgensen's bio what his role could be. I know there's been talk of a Surgeon Gen or new NMO, but...

Otherwise, we have LCol Morse and CWO Patterson here with the Liaison Office...
 
Seems that renewals for VIP at VAC will now be every 3 years with 6 months to submit the paperwork.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/02/27/vets-will-need-to-verify-_n_6771856.html

 
reccecrewman said:
This just on todays news;

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/veteran-tired-of-government-making-him-prove-he-lost-his-legs-1.2227180

At the top of the headline, the eye grabbing headline - "Veteran tired of Government making him prove he lost his legs"

Again, no the Government is NOT making him prove he lost his legs! He says, and I quote "every year there are assessments that are done through Manulife which is the insurance and uh, the insurance agency that we use and uhh then through Veterans Affairs that you actually have to prove uhh your condition and uhh unfortunately for me, I have to prove I still have no legs every year."

Rewind for a moment.... his own words clearly identify that every year there are assessments that are done through Manulife. Manulife, as I mentioned in an earlier post is the insurance company DND has hired to handle Long Term Disability benefits.  BLUE CROSS is the insurance company VAC deals with.  DND & VAC, Manulife and Blue Cross - four completely separate entities.  Where he ends up stumbling immediately after saying assessments are done through Manulife, somehow, he attaches Veterans Affairs to his statement. VAC has no place in that statement. Veterans Affairs has JACK SQUAT to do with Manulife Financial!!!  No, they are NOT asking a soldier to prove his legs are still gone! They are sending out an ANNUAL ASSESSMENT that they send to EACH and EVERY client they handle for LTD benefits to check to see if they are still eligible for continued coverage.  Amputees from civilian industrial accidents, truckers who may have lost limbs in an accident on the highway, soldiers who lost a limb overseas.  His legs are gone, and his annual assessment he completes every year will most likely indicate "no change from last year" and his benefits will continue uninterrupted. Period.

Ill agree Canadian Media is an absolute joke, they do whatever they can and spin alot to meet their own needs and end state. However, I will say this....

Why is the Government, DND, and VAC allowing Manulife to request this. Why is it not cleared up, or written before hand. do not make an amputee have constant reassessments, that is the issue at hand. The previous listed entities have obviously given the instruction to have this completed, and a phone call, followed by a memo and a change of policy would stop this from occurring.

That is the issue. Their should be certain levels of benefits, say a class 5 is the worst, they are amputees etc. would not need constant reassessment unless otherwise directed, or a change of status or QOL has changed for the worse.
 
Because even in the worst case scenario a situation can change, and now that they are talking about only reporting every three years it may make matters worse for some.

Imagine someone who uses an electric chair and requires specialized computers and programs. We all know how quickly software and hardware can change, but now someone has to wait 3 years? Heck even service members get new glasses every 2 years.
 
The issue here has to be the wording. Whats wrong with a form once a year stating " I have/have not any new needs with respect to my _______ claim from VAC." Turn it from "proving you still don't have legs" to affirming you do not require further support, or if your condition has worsened.
 
PuckChaser said:
The issue here has to be the wording. Whats wrong with a form once a year stating " I have/have not any new needs with respect to my _______ claim from VAC." Turn it from "proving you still don't have legs" to affirming you do not require further support, or if your condition has worsened.

Looking for a "like" button.

But hey, don't be talking sense there, PuckChaser.
 
Strike said:
Because even in the worst case scenario a situation can change, and now that they are talking about only reporting every three years it may make matters worse for some.
If it's changed to "no more than once every 3 years", you're right - problem.

One hopes (and I'd love to hear from someone in the know) if this means that if there's a change, for the better or worse, you can get some intervention sometime between the "where're you at?" letters.
 
Ottawa harasses injured soldiers
Department of veterans affairs needs a total shake-up, a different mindset and a staff trained to put people before paperwork.
Carol Goar
Toronto Star
05 Mar 2015



At the tail end of question period on Friday, Feb. 27, Pierre Lemieux, parliamentary secretary of the Minister of Veterans Affairs, rose in the House of Commons to announce good news. Veterans with lost limbs would no longer be required to verify their condition annually. The cycle would be lengthened to once every three years.

Opposition MPs shook their heads in disbelief. Why would the government ask amputees to confirm that their legs or arms were still missing? Did it think they grew back? Did it suppose wounded veterans stopped needing wheelchairs or housekeeping help or income replacement? Did it believe Canadians want soldiers who pay a grievous price serving their country to be treated like cheaters or parasites?

Lemieux, who spent 20 years in the armed forces, took exception to this characterization. “Through eight budgets, our government has earmarked over $5 billion in new funding to improve the benefits and services that we provide to veterans and their families,” he pointed out. “We are here to help veterans.”

It certainly didn’t sound that way.

An aide to Veterans Affairs Minister Erin O’Toole stepped in to clarify the policy. “Veterans who have been granted entitlement for a disability benefit for any service-related injury or condition are not asked to prove their disability again,” Marton Magnan explained. “Veterans Affairs has a responsibility to proactively update the government to ensure they have the necessary support and treatment for their current condition.”

His interpretation made more sense, but didn’t fit the evidence. Bureaucrats aren’t qualified to assess the medical needs of severely injured veterans. That is the role of doctors and physiotherapists. If a change in arrangements is warranted — a veteran gets a prosthesis, for instance — he or she can ask the department for a review at any time.

At best, this was a case of bad communication. At worst, it was confirmation that the department of veterans affairs is more interested in tidy paperwork than the well-being of wounded soldiers.

This fiasco — the latest of dozens — was prompted by a complaint from Master Corporal Paul Franklin who lost both legs in a suicide bombing in Kandahar nine years ago. Since retiring from military service, he has been caught in a bureaucratic nightmare. The department of veterans affairs required him to fill out a renewal form each year for the benefits he is receiving. Twice, as a result of these reviews, he was deprived of his wheelchair while bureaucrats sorted out his eligibility.

In early February Franklin went to CTV in frustration. That prompted the minister to call him personally and promise relief.

Lemieux’s announcement was the result: The review process stays, the frequency changes.

This can’t be dismissed as a fumble by an inexperienced backbencher. Lemieux is a three-term MP who served as parliamentary secretary to the agriculture minister until he was assigned to veterans affairs in January. He was a member of the special House of Commons committee on the Canadian mission in Afghanistan and deputy whip for the government.

Nor can ministerial incompetence be blamed. O’Toole, appointed in January after Julian Fantino’s troubled tenure, is a decorated air force captain and a corporate lawyer who was brought in to defuse the tension between veterans and Ottawa. He treated Franklin with respect and tried to rectify the situation.

The department does not appear to be understaffed or underfunded. It has 2,755 employees to serve 200,000 clients, most of them requiring little care. Its budget of $3.6 billion has gone up by 30 per cent since the Conservatives took power. There is nothing wrong with its mandate: “to support the men and women who put their lives at risk defending this country and its values.” And its performance in some areas — organizing commemorations, sending out war veterans’ allowances and delivering retirement benefits — is satisfactory.

But when it comes to tasks requiring judgment or sensitivity it consistently falls down. Its staff expects disabled veterans to conform to the department’s policies and programs. It inundates them with paperwork. It responds to complaints with form letters telling them how to comply with the rules.

Well-intentioned tinkering, as O’Toole attempted, won’t solve the problem. It is too deeply embedded in the culture of the 92-year-old department. What is needed is a total shake-up led by a prime minister with a different mindset, executed by public officials committed to improving and delivered by employees trained to fit programs to people, not the reverse.

Canada’s troops willingly put their physical and mental health on the line for their country. They should never have to beg for rehabilitation or support when they come home with broken bodies or tormented minds.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/03/05/ottawa-harasses-injured-soldiers-goar.html
 
This article from the National Post shows the differences in some of the benefits Canada has versus other allies. How accurate it is is hard to say.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/benefits-for-wounded-canadian-veterans-do-not-stack-up/article23381161/
 
Veeeeeeeeeery interesting ....
A class-action lawsuit launched by dissatisfied Afghan veterans is on hold because settlement talks are underway, The Canadian Press has learned.

The legal challenge, which has become a political black eye for the Conservative government, was put into abeyance recently at the B.C. Supreme Court, two federal sources said Thursday.

The decision — effectively a time-out from legal proceedings — was taken because both sides were facing court-imposed deadlines to file further submissions in the case.

Don Sorochan, the lawyer for the soldiers, confirmed settlement talks are underway with the government, but declined to give details.

"When the new minister came in, we'd had approaches to talk," Sorochan said ....
Fingers crossed ....
 
Teager said:
This article from the National Post shows the differences in some of the benefits Canada has versus other allies. How accurate it is is hard to say.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/benefits-for-wounded-canadian-veterans-do-not-stack-up/article23381161/


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Lump Sum

A lump-sum payment of up to $306,698.21 which can be taken in a single payment or spread out over multiple payments. The amount offered depends on the degree of disability. Someone with mild hearing loss, for instance, might collect just $14,929, while someone who has lost the complete function of their lower limbs and is confined to a wheelchair might receive the maximum. Of the 45,615 veterans granted a lump-sum payment between 2006 and 2014, just 185 received the maximum. It is non-taxable.

Earnings loss

An earnings-loss benefit of 75 per cent of salary for two years (or longer if the veteran is taking part in a vocational or rehabilitation plan), all of which is taxable and from which any outside earnings are deducted dollar-for-dollar for veterans who are permanently and totally incapacitated and at 50 cents on the dollar for those in a rehabilitation plan. For those who are permanently incapacitated and unable to work after the two-year period has ended, the benefits can continue to age 65, with annual inflation increases of up to 2 per cent.

Impairment allowance

There are three grades to this allowance with the lowest being $584.66 monthly, which is what most veterans get. The middle grade pays $1,169.33 a month and the highest grade pays a maximum of $1,753.97. In addition, there is supplement for most, but not all, veterans who are receiving the permanent impairment allowance of $1,074. The allowance and the supplement are taxable.
Disability pension

Tax-free disability pension ranging from $167.58 for someone with no dependents and only a mild impairment, to as much as $4,010 per month for a severely incapacitated veteran with one spouse and a child. In addition, there are supplements of up to $10,836 monthly for those with dependents who are severely disabled and need special help.
Lump Sum

Lump-sum benefits are available up to a maximum of $1,092,348. This was originally set in 2005 at half that amount but was doubled in 2008 when it was deemed inadequate.

Severely disabled

Severely disabled veterans receive 100 per cent of their military salary tax-free for life.
Lump Sum

Lump-sum benefits of up to $420,207 are available, but veterans can choose instead to receive this as a fixed-rate weekly pension which, for someone who starts receiving payments at the age of 25 and dies at the age on 80, would amount to a total of $902,261. This is tax-free.

Severely disabled

Lump sums are awarded for spouses and children of severely disabled vets. For each child, for instance, a veteran would receive $80,956.51.

Earnings loss

An earnings-loss benefit pays 100 per cent of the difference between what veterans were making before their injury and what they are making after their injury, for the first 45 weeks of incapacity. When the 45-week period ends, they are paid between 75 per cent and 100 per cent of the difference between what they were making preinjury and post-injury, depending on how many hours they are able to work. These payments are taxable.
 
Thanks MCG I was meaning to come back and post from the article time got away from me.
 
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