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Actually, since this thread has swerved all over, I think I will just rename it and we can carry on with both topics as they seem to intertwine.....
Back to the original scheduled thread....there is no doubt TTC Cops need to be armed. It amazes me how these politicians make these judgements when they themselves will not venture out without their armed escorts.
Okay, this is why we have to take a protective stance towards those who would not use discretion themselves. These are the guards that will end up a headline. And in a box.Sappo said:Now, I don't know about you... but if I see an armed gunman trying to pull ANYTHING while I'm on duty, I am not just going to turn tail and run the other way.... I just couldnt live with myself if I did such a thing. Namely because we are Security and LIFE SAFETY officers, I am there to protect people not run and leave them to the fates. And talking to a few of the people who I secure, they basically say the same thing... In my opinion people see body armour, they know the person means business. NOT only that, but we also have a large safe that all the deposits go into at the end of the night. On a good night we are probably well over $10,000 at least. Christmas time closer to 50 if not more. For myself (1 guard at night) to stand beside this safe, I feel we should be properly protected. I guess I am just venting here, as I know there will be nothing done about it.
little ruddiger said:Zipperhead I will tell you a little story; It seems one day that an old retiree working as a security guard alone in a medium size mall received a call for a medical emergency. He showed up to the tenant space ensured the patient was receiving proper first-aid and was off to meet the ambulance. He directed paramedics into the store and showed them the way back out all saving valuable time, as he had done dozens of times before. About a week later our hero shows-up for work feeling quite ill, but being the only security he can't call in sick because that means there will be no one available to do his work. A little later that morning the old guard drops to the floor clutching his chest. Without security to direct emergency services in a timely fashion, to the scene inside the mall, he died. True Story.
little ruddiger said:Don't tell me that you don't need the assistance of security when it comes to the huge private properties that have sprung up in every urban centre in this country. Security directs police, fire and ambulance to the scene and you should know that. Also when you bring in a Form 1 S.17 MHA who takes over custody, that right the loley security guards. When you pick-up an overdose or drunk and drop them off at an emergency room, because you can't take them to cells anymore for liability issues, who takes over security. 9 times out of 10 who gives police the authority to issue tresspass to property tickets, yet again security. Need I go on?
little ruddiger said:Just because you acting irresponsibly in security does not automatically mean that all security are ramboes like you apparently were. The wannabe uniforms and cars (as you so respectfully put it) are not a good idea exactly for the reason you mentioned but the amount of time police lobby groups spend on the issue is stupid. Do you really think that people looking for help are going to go running up to a security guard by mistake and when they get there go "damn" and keep running and looking for a cop, not likely. Maybe a better way of doing things is to sit down and say police look like this and security looks like this. Instead of stomping around saying "no bad security, I'm taking away your cargo pants until you think about what you have done!"
little ruddiger said:There problem solved no one will mistake police and security again now the OACP can get back to demanding raises from their boards, while private industry eats their lunch. Oh and by the way I am not a security guard nor is any member of my family but I care about those who are.
zipperhead_cop said:Okay, if you want to go with condescending/homo-erotic instead of reasonable argument, thats fine. I grew up in the GTA and can handle it.
You want to post-spoon, then go ahead. I will choose to withdraw any further direct response, since I don't think it would be fair for us to get a thread locked that isn't ours, and I don't need to be introduced to the warning system.
If anybody wants my opinion on career moves, feel free to PM me. I actually have a job.
little ruddiger said:There you go with your attention to detail defecate and assumption about other people posts again, zippy. I have not indicated anywhere on this site that I am either male or female. I also was treating you like a child not a lover because I think you have been throwing childish tantrums in your posts and hijacking any real discussion here. Also I have three occupations one of them is in law enforcement, one of them is military and one of them is academic. You probably didn't look at the site I had put in my last post but it is a former cop who truly thinks progressively about policing issues instead of spouting off the party line like you seem to do.
What hope does the TTC have in convincing the public they should be issue side-arms when our regular police officers go on the internet with statement like "Some people are like slinkies: They don't really serve any purpose, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs". Very tactful. It is obvious from what I have read from you that, as you say, you love self aggrandizing you also seem to be a big fan of self delusion and a robo-cop 1st class. Being called conceded is an honour coming from the grand marshall of the concede parade that are your posts here. As for your little buddy big bad john are you going to say something usefull? This is a thread about special constables and security not cheerleading or tennis.
Anyway the solution to me would seem that Special Constable be armed and there must be more of them. Fundamental changes should be made in the law that would compel private and public properties to take proper security measures. We have fire codes and building codes to keep people safe why not security codes as well. It never seizes to amaze me how fundamental this seems. A property is required by law to be built a certain way, with certain materials and the owner must install and maintain fire alarm and suppression equipment or face fines or being shut down. On the other hand people can be beaten, raped and victimize on a property and there is no effective law that compells the owner to act. The only reason for security is insurance it is rarely a case where public safety is the real purpose for security measures.
Security Guards should have proper equipment to ensure there safety and training that is commensurate to their level of responsibility. The new Ontario act and the one in BC attempts to do this but stronger enforcement and real teeth are needed to make change. As mentioned before Quebec has mandated a decent living wage for security staff and obviously if this were done in the other provinces it would go a long way to attracting the right people and retaining them. It is a simple approach tougher regulations and more resources equal greater public safety.
police are disinterested in the well being of their communities is at best wrong, and at worst painfully ignorant of what we actually do.S1 said:unfortunately most police services I have dealt with, despite their lip service, don't seem to feel the same.
zipperhead_cop said:And for medical stuff the paramedics will beat us there every time.
Hatchet Man said:I smell a troll
...When you have a badge, you are part of a family. The same as a Regimental family. You go to the wall for your brothers and sisters in every situation, because it is usually us against the world. We only have each other. When you apply for the job, and you get accepted, that is one police officer saying to all other police officers "I would work with this person. I would go through a door with them in a gun call. I would trust them to get me home to my family. I see this person as so filled with potential that they are deserving of the Public Trust. I believe they can be a Police Officer". That is a pretty awesome thing and it takes a lot of demonstration of worthiness to get to that point...