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Alarms raised over asbestos in military homes

Kathy Tomlinson, CTV News

For five years, she's been living in military housing at CFB Kingston with her husband and two children -- unaware the homes are contaminated with deadly asbestos.

She doesn't want her name used, but she's alarmed her children may get ill because the Canadian military didn't tell them about the danger.

"I'm afraid my daughters are going to come down with a deadly illness -- 10, 15 years down the road," said the military wife, who fears her husband may face repercussions from his commanding officer if she's identified publicly.

"I have laid in my bed and cried that I've put my daughters in harm's way."

The asbestos is in loose, dusty insulation in the top floor. The family goes up into that attic area frequently, to store children's clothes and sports equipment, because they have no basement. 

The insulation, called Zonolite, was made with vermiculite mined for decades in Libby, Montana. Authorities across North America have known since 1990 that Zonolite is contaminated with asbestos. 

If inhaled, the type of asbestos in Zonolite can cause serious lung diseases, including some types of fatal cancers. The military wife wants others military families to know how dangerous it really is.

"I didn't know there was anything up there contaminating their clothes, their toys, their books," she said. "The hot air comes down from the ducts that are up there and blows out at us (through vents)."

"When I moved here years ago, I wouldn't have moved into one of these. I didn't know."

The military has known since 1996 that homes on at least one base -- CFB Shilo in Manitoba -- contained the potentially deadly insulation. 

Military families were left living in base homes for another nine years, though, before the department in charge of DND housing decided to test across the country. Those tests results are now in.

"Why did it take so long to test?" CTV's Whistleblower asked Defence Minister Bill Graham.

"It took time because we had to know exactly where it was," he answered.

CTV's Whistleblower team has learned that out of approximately 15,000 homes on Canada's military bases:

    * Almost 400 military homes across Canada tested positive for the deadly asbestos.
    * 2,637 roofs were tested (some roofs cover several homes).
    * The majority of contaminated attics are at bases in Cold Lake, Alta., Kingston, Ont., Shilo, Mba. and Montreal, Que.

"A home full of Zonolite is not fit for human habitation," said Manitoba NDP MP Pat Martin, who has been trying for years to get Ottawa to take the dangers of asbestos more seriously. He thinks the military will try to downplay the dangers now.

"They (DND) know they are sitting on a ticking time bomb in terms of public health of armed forces families and their own liability in terms of negligence," said Martin. "They're probably concerned they are going to get their asses sued off for allowing families to move into these houses."

The Canadian Forces Housing Agency has sent a letter to the affected households, advising them to avoid their attics. The letters are addressed to the enlisted member -- and many of them are serving in Afghanistan. Some of the letters may not even be opened until they get home.

"We're working on how we can deal with this situation in a scientific way," said Graham.

CTV asked the defence minister: "What about just moving them out?"

Graham replied: "Well then there would have to be housing for them to move to and we're looking at all possibilities but we obviously have to have a practical solution as well."

His department said the current plan is to try to contain and seal off the insulation, by covering it with extra sheets of plywood and closing off vents and ceiling fixtures.

DND believes containment will actually be safer than removal, because the insulation won't be disturbed. Experts agree the threat is minimal, if the Zonolite isn't touched or moved.

"I want it removed," said the military wife at CFB Kingston.  "I believe it's in my heating ducts. And I believe every time the furnace gets turned on, more blows out."

She said other military families on her base have no idea how serious the danger is. "It's easier (for DND) if we don't have knowledge," she said. "Let them come in and patch it up and it's forgotten."

Cost is one main factor. DND's containment plan is expected to cost $1.6 million. In comparison, the department estimates full asbestos removal would cost between $11.7 million and $23.4 million. Moving the families, they say, would add another $23.4 million.

"Not only are they (DND) sitting on a ticking time bomb in terms of liability," said the NDP's Martin, "but they are in complete denial."they are in complete denial."
 
I don't know what they're talking about...I've been living in PMQ's all my life and there's nothing wrong with me....wait a sec, what the hell is this large bump sticking out of my NECK??!!??

seriously though, this is something that has been brought up numerous times, and it always takes a number of people to raise the concern before anything gets done...examples...

3 years ago in Ottawa, there was a scare of lead in the pipes, specifically near the old ammo depot at Uplands....all famillies where notified, including those on the rockliffe side, and after numerous meetings, blood testing was offered to test lead levels, and homes were tested as well...

4 or 5 years ago in Oromocto, they demolished a large block of buildings right across the street from the high school...specifically the smokers area side of the school...The dust from covered and was inhaled by many students...2 weeks later, all the people living in the Q's got a letter from the base stating that said PMQ's had been demolished and my have left "minor traces of asbestos" in the air....thank youfair warning...
 
I'm sure our Minister means well, but his answers in this case just aren't logical, nor do they answer the questions posed.  This tells me that maybe he was caught off guard?!  Or that his answers were given to him by a DND staffer, and he wasn't in a position to subject them to his own scrutiny before talking to CTV?!

"Why did it take so long to test?" CTV's Whistleblower asked Defence Minister Bill Graham.

"It took time because we had to know exactly where it was," he answered.

This literally doesn't make any sense.  It took nine years to start testing, because DND had to know where the asbestos was?  Was that what they were doing in the nine years before testing - trying to find out where it was?  Isn't that the purpose of the actual testing itself?  You have to start the testing before you can know what the results of the testing will be.

And here's another example of governmental double-speak in this issue:
CTV asked the defence minister: "What about just moving them out?"

Graham replied: "Well then there would have to be housing for them to move to and we're looking at all possibilities but we obviously have to have a practical solution as well."

This doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.  If it were seen as a risk, DND could have rented accommodations fm the private sector for these folks.  There are accommodations available for rent all the time.  If it's an isolated base, there are other solutions such as going to the nearest civilian community and bussing them, or moving in temporary trailers, or whatever.  What he really seems to be saying is either that it wasn't seen as a risk (problematic!), or that DND didn't want to spend the money (also problematic!).    >:(

Either our health matters or it doesn't.


 
I was watching a bit about this last night and this morning.

The first answer you posted, Bridges, is extremely lame. It doesn't really say much for him...  :-X
 
I received a letter yesterday dated the 15 September 2005 from Steven M. Irwin CEO of CFHA stating:

"CFHA conducted a vermiculite survey of the housing units at CFB Shilo in response to recent concerns about the possibility of vermiculite insulation containing asbestos."

Vermiculite is a mica-like mineral mined around the world and used in a variety of commercial and consumer products because it is fire-resistant and has good insulation qualities. Of concern is vermiculite ore produced by the Libby Mine in Montana from the 1920s to 1990. It was sold as Zonolite Attic Insulation and possibly other brands in Canada during that time. Vermiculite from the Libby Mine may contain asbestos. According to the Health Canada 'It's Your Health' newletter, vermiculite insulation poses health risks only when it contains amphibole asbestos and is disturbed so that particles become airborne and are inhaled. There is no evidence of risk to your health if vermiculite insulation containing asbestos is sealed behind wallboards and floorboards, isolated in an attic, or otherwise kept from exposure to the interior environment.

The approach used during the survey was to examine 30 per cent of Canadian Forces homes. This approach was considered realistic and safe because CFHA's portfolio is comprises of units often built by the same contractor, and in many cases (e.g., row houses) the units share the same roofs, to the point where, at a given Base or Wing, 30 per cent of the roofs can cover up to 70 per cent of the housing units.

The results indicate that vermiculite insulation containing asbestos is present in most of the attic spaces tested.

In light of the results of the inspection and sampling, and as suggested in the 'It's Your Health' newsletter, CFHA will be sealing all joints and cracks around ventilation or lighting fixtures in the ceiling and the attics in all of the housing units at CFB Shilo, except those where the sampling results show no trace of asbestos. We plan to complete this work by the end of the fiscal year. In the meantime, it is suggested that you do not access the attics. Should you need to do so please take the necessary precautions not to disturb the vermiculite insulation.

Should you wish further information about vermiculite insulation containing asbestos, we would invite you to consult the Health Canada 'It's Your Health' newsletter at http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/iyh/products/insulation.html. Also, if you have any questions related to the program, please feel free to contact your local CFHA Housing Management Office, at 765-3000 extension****."
 
Interesting!  Thanks for taking the time to type in & post this letter, 9R.  If I may inquire, and on the assumption that you received the letter because you are a resident of one of the affected homes, what's your opinion of this letter - does it help or reassure enough?

I have to admit that the part saying "In the meantime, it is suggested that you do not access the attics. Should you need to do so please take the necessary precautions not to disturb the vermiculite insulation"  creeps me out a little, but I'm not in a PMQ at the moment.

We have some asbestos in our house, but it's sealed within wall coverings - and before we purchased it (or the bank purchased it for us!  lol), we got a home inspector who told us the scoop and what to look out for, not to disturb the asbestos, etc.  In the PMQs, you would think that the CFHA as the landlord has a legal & ethical responsibility to check that stuff out as soon as a hazard is known (and it's debatable, in this case, whether that was done!!), and to inform the residents accordingly.

I hope things go well with the work that's going to be done.
 
Living in PMQ's they have no rental liability as you would renting down town. The tenants rental act does not apply to us.  On the moral point of view I think you are fully correct they should do something about this matter sooner then later. I am one of ther ones whom received the letter. Am i scared or worried, as long as i dont punch holes in the walls and be carefull about hanging picture and stuff i think things will be allright. (cough cough)
 
I received the same letter last week. Not worried .... yet. However, I hope it doesn't take 6 months to "contain" the issue.

Cheers
 
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