Cut PRes funding to support the Reg F (Split from: Base closures?)

[The Bread Guy]

given that at least our army reserve is a small force relative to the US and others isn`t there an argument to me made - i mean i see the waste in the reserves and if it were all directed top the regs maybe that would be best right

If you really believe this, why not get rid of at least some of the waste now, and join the Regs or an American unit?

Also, on a historical note:

To base closures not at all. Most reserve units aren't on Bases anyways, the supporting base might be hours away. ie, LSSR Marathon to CFB Winnipeg.

FYI, the LSSR hasn't had a Marathon (or Geraldton) Pl since the 1980's or so.  Good example, though, of how looooooooooooong some of the support chains can be for PRes units.

 

[BACKERCOY]

Using this argument, we should greatly reduce the size of the regular force, and use the savings to increase the size of our reserve.

I guess if one would believe the Reg Force is large enough. I fear base closures are not intended to save money to extend the pie to the PRes world though.

 

[Loachman]

I fear base closures are not intended to save money to extend the pie to the PRes world though.

Of course they are not.

 

[Stoker]

Q: This wouild be a tough call but what if DND stood down all of the PRes Units and applied all budget savings to maintaining reg force bases

:yellow:

Can see that really happening IE standing down reserve units,  although with Afghanistan winding down and pers returning to base, a lot of Class B positions are going to be cut and filled with the pers coming home. In the naval reserves we have already had budget cuts to training and money reallocated to the reg force.
If they did start standing down units and the media found out, big backlash from the public.

 

[McG]

If they did start standing down units and the media found out, big backlash from the public.

Does the public really hold any great emotional attachment to individual reserve units?  I know certain units hold loud lobbies that can make a lot of noise within a local community, but is it really anything that will produce a backlash (even mild) to the federal level if a reserve unit here or there is closed?

Beyond the current question of robbing reserves to better finance the regular force (or the other way around), what about identifying economically unviable reserve units in order to reinvest the money in reserve units or locations of greater potential?

 

[Stoker]

Does the public really hold any great emotional attachment to individual reserve units?  I know certain units hold loud lobbies that can make a lot of noise within a local community, but is it really anything that will produce a backlash (even mild) to the federal level if a reserve unit here or there is closed?

I know in the case of the Maritime Coastal Defense Vessels, it was announced that several would be mothballed. There was such a public reaction the MND publically rescinded the order.  A little bit different since its a operational unit, although with the right media coverage things could be changed.

 

[Neill McKay]

if it were not for the US we would have been invaded long ago

Actually, the correct statement is "if it were not for the US we would not have been invaded long ago".

 

[REDinstaller]

I guess he doesn't know why the White house is white either.

 

[dapaterson]

I guess he doesn't know why the White house is white either.

I think this explains it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4

 

[larry Strong]

I think this explains it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4

:rofl:

 

[REDinstaller]

Now I'll have to watch all of the 3 Dead trolls songs. Thanks. ;D

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Somehow this has to be Hitler's and the Nazis' fault.

 

[larry Strong]

Somehow this has to be Hitler's and the Nazis' fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ed5fBHHVU&feature=related

;D

 

[REDinstaller]

Not too Kamp at all.  :blotto:

 

[ArmyRick]

Lets look at the original proposal

Scrap all the reserve units and put the money towards saving reg f bases? It doesn't work that way

1. Scrapping a single armoury or a reserve unit is a huge deal by itself, let alone the entire reserves, the political uproar would be huge.
2. So you have seen alot of waste in the PRes? Guess what, the Reg F is just as guilty my friend.
3. DND would not simply re-allocate the money back to base infrastructure
4. If a base is deemed irrelevant and needed to be closed it will be closed, end story
5. Cutting out the reserves would hurt Ops for the CF period.

To be honest this is one of the dumbest idea in the long sad history of dumb ideas.

To save money amongst the reserves, I would reccomend consolidating units, but another topic perhaps?

 

[McG]

To save money amongst the reserves, I would reccomend consolidating units, but another topic perhaps?

In fact, there is another long topic on reserve structure that examines this very idea to great depth.  You may want to take the current conversation over there: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/24381.0.html