Difference between IEDD and EOD?

[EpicBeardedMan]

I noticed one of the advanced training courses for Combat Engineering was Explosive Ordinance Disposal...does this touch on IED's as well? The Ammo Tech trade has an IEDD course but I figured that Combat Engineers would also be taught this particular topic. Can anyone elaborate on the difference between the 2 courses and if Combat Engis learn about IED disposal as well?

Thanks.

 

[392]

IEDD is not just a Ammo Tech specialty. As a matter of fact, there are currently 4 CF trades that can attend the IEDD course, currently being run by CFSME in Gagetown, NB - Combat Engineer, Clearance Diver, Ammo Tech, and Aviation Technician. And when you look at which trades are the most active in live IEDD, Ammo Techs are pretty much the trade least involved, with Cbt Engrs being the most - but I guess that's what happens when IEDD teams are force generated from the Engineers  (Edit: I should also point out that our friends in the Air Force and Navy regularly help fill out our numbers on deployments )

Most in the EOD community lump IEDD in with EOD, but there is actually a difference between the two - the "O" in EOD stands for ordnance, which is the difference between Improvised Explosive Device and Explosive Ordnance. Yes, ordnance does get used in IEDs, but EOD training covers the rendering safe and disposal of military ordnance that has partially or completely failed to function as designed when used as designed - aka a "dud", whereas IEDD training covers how to defeat IEDs, regardless if the main charge is composed of ordnance or some other improvised or commercially available explosive.

The other big difference is the length of training - the EOD (or advanced CMD as I was corrected on this past week) - aka HB - course is many months, whereas the IEDD course - aka - HC is less than two; but when you look at the amount of info being taken in, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[MaDB0Y_021]

What do HB, HC and CMD stand for?

 

[392]

HB and HC are the former course codes used by the CF to denote EOD and IEDD courses respectively. Most still use those two terms to describe the courses, as it's much easier to say "HC" or "HB" than "IEDD Operator" or "EOD - Surface Only"

CMD stands for Conventional Munitions Disposal.

 

[ammocat]

Good explanation of the difference between EOD and IEDD. One small error that I would like to correct, what use to be known as the HC course has been divided into two courses, the IEDD Operator Assistant course which is about 2 weeks long and the IEDD Operators course, which I believe is a little over a month long.

 

[392]

Yes, and we still use HC to refer to the IEDD Operator course. The #2 course is referred to as just that - the #2 course 

Edit: I left the #2 course out of my explanation because the process of getting to be HC qualified wasn't the topic of conversation...

 

[392]

I should also mention that since Apr 2007, Canadian students on the HB have been introduced to US IEDD procedures, so I guess there is a bit of IEDD on EOD courses  >

 

[EpicBeardedMan]

Thanks for the info! It's possible to take both courses yeah? What makes a Combat Engi qualified for these courses, just a show of interest after you're done your combat engineer training or is there pre-requisites?

 

[Kat Stevens]

Combat Engineer, or Cbt Eng...That is all...again.

 

[392]

Thanks for the info! It's possible to take both courses yeah? What makes a Combat Engi qualified for these courses, just a show of interest after you're done your combat engineer training or is there pre-requisites?

Buds - it's Combat ENGINEER - not Combat Engi or Combat Engie. You won't last long in the 043 world calling yourself an Engi.

Aside from that, scrolling through your previous posts, I've noticed you're not even in the CF yet. Tell you what, get yourself in, do a QL3 (or DP1) course, get some experience, do a 5's course, volunteer for EOD / IEDD training, and find out  >  Depending on which Regiment you end up at, it will be quickly determined by guys who have current operational IEDD / EOD experience whether you have it or not  and your Tp WO will make sure you get the appropriate courses to ensure you meet the prerequisites :nod:

 

[McG]

What is the difference between EOD and IEDD?  According to Canadian and NATO doctrine, EOD is divided into sub-fields of CMD and IEDD.  This differentiation of skill sets can be seen in the new (since 01 Apr) CFSME EOD Sqn which officially has a CMD cell and an IEDD cell.

It is common coloquial practice to refer to "EOD/IEDD" when describing a team that does both CMD and IEDD, but this is incorrect as the team should simply be called "EOD."  Where a team is intended to be single focused it may be either "CMD" or "IEDD." 

As far as the names of courses go, the ones run in Canada will follow the naming convention that I described.  Some of this training is conducted internationally and a purely CMD course may be called "EOD" because that course is the entry level standard to get into the field before specialising in IEDD (HC) or chemical munitions (HX) or underwater, etc.

Combat Engineer, or Cbt Eng...That is all...again.

Actually, it would be "Cbt Engr"

 

[EpicBeardedMan]

Buds - it's Combat ENGINEER - not Combat Engi or Combat Engie. You won't last long in the 043 world calling yourself an Engi.

Aside from that, scrolling through your previous posts, I've noticed you're not even in the CF yet. Tell you what, get yourself in, do a QL3 (or DP1) course, get some experience, do a 5's course, volunteer for EOD / IEDD training, and find out  >  Depending on which Regiment you end up at, it will be quickly determined by guys who have current operational IEDD / EOD experience whether you have it or not  and your Tp WO will make sure you get the appropriate courses to ensure you meet the prerequisites :nod:

Thanks for the info, I'm just trying to grasp how it works in the armed forces (course-wise) as I put Combat Engineer as my second trade choice. So it really depends on what Regiment you're on what courses you can take or is it purely what they need at the time they'll send you? Meant no disrespect by saying Combat Engi.  :-X

 

[392]

The most basic of explanations of how it works for courses in the CF:

1) Pick trade;
2) Complete basic trades training;
3) Arrive at 1st unit;
4) Gain experience at unit and info Chain of Command as to what specialty courses offered to your trade you would like to complete;
5) Put in hours and show CoC you're worthy of them offering you up to the specialty course gods all the while maintaining work ethic worthy of them putting your name forth as a potential candidate;
6) Attend course and put in 110% thereby reinforcing #5 to your CoC so they'll nominate you for other "good go" courses;
7) Repeat 4 through 6 as necessary.

It's nice and all that you're interested in the EOD world, but at this time, I'd worry about getting your foot in the door and getting trade qualified first before worrying too much about specialty courses that may not even be offered to the trade you might be accepted into. Even if you get picked up for 043, there's no saying you would be sent on any EOD or IEDD courses at any time in your career. Take it one step at a time....

 

[Spr.Earl]

HB and HC are the former course codes used by the CF to denote EOD and IEDD courses respectively. Most still use those two terms to describe the courses, as it's much easier to say "HC" or "HB" than "IEDD Operator" or "EOD - Surface Only"

CMD stands for Conventional Munitions Disposal.

Also there is no more a course called a H.A.,which was a ***** because of the sand box.
In the sand box on your final was over 100 object's from fuse's,rocket's to projectile's,cluster munition's etc. more than 3 mistak's you do it again if you failed  it yur 2nd try you failed the course.

On the H.A. we were taught to be the #2 for the IED operater,taught how to use the robot and suit up #1 in the bomb suit  and look after him.