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Election 2011

On the CBC National radio news, it was stated over 900,000 Canadians (anyone, from anywhere could fill in "your province/territory") have taken the CBC's Vote Compass.

Agree, Mr. Harper looks tired. Laureen Harper did not look happy at all during the piano interlude in Winnipeg.

I don't care who you are. The continuous slamming by the media is depressing.
 
Well considering this election didn't have to happen and that it is estimated that it will cost approximately $300 Million of tax payers money to run the election, I intend to ask any politician or wanna-be who does not belong to the conservative party for $21.92 for my time. If they don't want to pay, then they will get no audience with me!!

In 2008 13,686,146 voted in the Federal elections.. divide that by the estimated $300 Million it will cost and you get $21.92 per actual voter.

I wonder how many files that were on various ministers desks across all departments of the Government are now on hold because of this election.

My 2 cents!

Just to clarify, the $21.92 isn't for my vote, just for my time to listen to their pitch!
 
So with your two cents you're willing to accept $21.90? ;D

I agree with you, though.

And as far as this vote compass load of bullshit goes: most people I know who have taken it (that wish to volunteer how they thought of voting) haven't changed their minds because they considered the source. It's not just folks like us that get sick of the CBC malingerers always trying to do their best to slam the CPC.

 
The defections suggest the shallowness of their convictions, although personally, I'd rather they walk before the elections than cross the floor once Parliament is in session -- regardless of which way they're going.
 
Rifleman62 said:
I don't care who you are. The continuous slamming by the media is depressing.

Gee, then imagine the candidate who's been hit by attack ads and little more of substance since he became leader of the party...

I've got to agree with Infanteer, though.  Harper's actually got to put some effort into his campaigning, especially if Ignatieff figures out how to do it and starts somehow resonating with Canadians...  It's only a week in but this could, potentially, get very, very interesting.
 
I agree, better than floor-crossing... but this early, it's not really a big thing - the parties will simply nominate new candidates to take the place of the "defectors".

Journeyman said:
The defections suggest the shallowness of their convictions, although personally, I'd rather they walk before the elections than cross the floor once Parliament is in session -- regardless of which way they're going.
 
The latest from ThreeHundredEight.com:

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Source: http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/


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Source: http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/


This, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from ThreeHundredEight.com is their analysis:

http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/
Wild swings in projection as Liberals roar ahead*

My grandfather once gave me three words to live by: patience, tolérance, détente. The first two mean the same thing in French and English, while the last means to relax, to take it easy. In other words, not to sweat the little things. And with Nanos Research the only polling firm reporting six days after the campaign has started, I think I need to take his advice to heart. But from what I can tell, at this time last year Harris-Decima, Ipsos Reid, Angus-Reid, and EKOS had all started reporting regularly, in addition to Nanos. What's the hold up?


At least yesterday's Nanos poll had a bit of a swing that had some effect on the projection. But today's Nanos is a bit of a snorer, and is virtually the same as yesterday's. The result is that there is little change in the projection.

The Conservatives are unchanged at 38.6%, but have picked up one seat in Quebec and are now projected to win 151 seats. The Liberals, meanwhile, are down 0.1 points to 27.2% but are still projected to win 73.

The New Democrats are steady at 16.6% and 33 seats, while the Bloc Québécois is down 0.1 point to 38.9% in Quebec and are down one seat to 51. The Greens are up 0.1 points to 6.7%.

Regionally, there have been very few changes. Both the Tories and Liberals are down 0.2 points in British Columbia to the benefit of the Greens.


In Ontario, the Liberals are up 0.1 points to 33.4%.


Quebec has had a tiny wobble, with the Liberals and Conservatives both picking up 0.1 points.


And in Atlantic Canada, the Conservatives are down 0.5 points to 37.2%. The New Democrats take advantage, gaining 0.4 points.


The only seat change was Beauport - Limoilou, which has switched back over to Conservative MP Sylvie Boucher. But as you can see in the riding projection, I have the Tories tied with the Bloc in the riding. Boucher gets the nod because she is the incumbent.


I'll have a full report on the Nanos poll later today. Word is that EKOS will be reporting today, so we will have another set of numbers soon.


And, further, there is this analysis, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provision of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/regional-poll-numbers-could-turn-over-a-lot-of-seats-for-harper/article1966649/
Regional poll numbers could ‘turn over a lot of seats’ for Harper

BILL CURRY
Ottawa— Globe and Mail Update

Posted on Friday, April 1, 2011

This week’s surprise jump in support for the Liberals – at the expense of the NDP – has largely held for a second night in a row as nightly tracking by Nanos Research for the Globe and Mail and CTV shows little change in The national numbers.

Yet a closer look at the regional numbers shows the Conservatives have plenty of reason for optimism. Strong support in Ontario and British Columbia may just be enough to win Stephen Harper the majority he says his party needs.

“At 39 per cent support, they’re close to a majority,” pollster Nik Nanos said.

The Conservatives are in front with 39.4 per cent (up from 39.1 per cent the day before), followed by the Liberals at 31.7 per cent (down a point from 32.7 per cent), the Bloc Quebecois at 8.5 per cent (from 8.7 per cent), the NDP at 16.1 per cent (from 15.9 per cent) and the Greens at 4.4 per cent (up from 3.7 per cent).

The results are based on a rolling three day survey of 1,200 Canadians from March 29-31.

The early days of Mr. Harper’s tour has made no secret of the fact that the party is hoping to win new seats in Ontario – particularly the suburban ridings of the Greater Toronto Area.

The regional support numbers by Nanos Research appear to show those efforts are paying off. Support for the Conservatives in Ontario is higher now (47.2 per cent) than it was when Nanos Research polled Canadians on March 15, before the campaign began. At that time, Conservatives had 43.2 per cent support in Ontario.

The Liberal support in the province is holding steady at about 32.7 per cent, while NDP support is on a downward trend, sitting at 15.8 per cent. The Greens are at 4.2 per cent.

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It is rare for the Conservatives to enjoy a 15 point lead in Ontario. Mr. Nanos said if that support holds, it will make a big difference in the campaign.

“It’s going to turn over a lot of seats,” he said.

In British Columbia, another province with several tight races that could have a major impact on Election Day, Conservatives enjoy a 10 point lead over the Liberals. Conservative support is at 40.1 per cent support in B.C., followed by the Liberals at 29.7 per cent and the NDP at 20.4 per cent. Prior to the campaign, the NDP was polling slightly ahead of the Liberals in B.C., but Liberals have beat out the NDP in B.C. in all three of the daily Nanos Research surveys released this week.

The Green Party’s campaign is almost entirely focused on getting party leader Elizabeth May elected in the Vancouver Island riding of Saanich–Gulf Islands. Regional support for the Greens in B.C. is at 9.8 per cent.

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In other regional races, the Liberals enjoy a big lead in Atlantic Canada at 46.9 per cent, followed by the Conservatives at 30.6 per cent, the NDP at 19.7 per cent and the Greens at 2.9 per cent.

In Quebec, Nanos Research numbers show a downward trend in support for the Bloc (now at 35.6 per cent), and slight upward trends for the Liberals (at 26.5 per cent) and the Conservatives (at 22.1 per cent). Support for the NDP in Quebec has been largely stable since March 15 and is now at 13.6 per cent while the Greens are at two per cent.

Finally, the large Conservative lead in the Prairies continues to hold. The Tories are well in front with 51.6 per cent support, followed by the Liberals at 30 per cent, the NDP at 14.6 per cent and the Greens at 3.9 per cent.

Each night a new group of 400 interviews is added to the sample and the oldest group of 400 is dropped, producing a rolling average.

Nanos reports that its margin of error for a survey of 1,200 respondents is plus or minus 2.8 per cent, 19 times out of 20. The margin of error increases with regional numbers, which are drawn from smaller samples.

So, at the end of the first week on the campaign trail, "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose” as Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Kar said.


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* I think the ThreeHundredEight.com analysis headline "Liberals roar ahead" is their April Fools joke.
 
This, from the not-normally-labelled "liberal media" Calgary Herald.  Fair dealing provisions apply...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/survey+biased/4540372/story.html

CBC survey isn't biased


Calgary Herald April 1, 2011 3:03 AM
 
Sorry to disappoint the conspiracy theorists, but CBC's much-maligned Vote Compass, an online survey designed to tell users where they stand politically, is not rigged in favour of the Liberals.

Unlike Queen's University political science Prof. Kathy Brock, who blindly answered all 30 questions the same way using three different approaches, a member of the Herald's editorial board carefully read the questions and answered each as a rightleaning conservative might respond.

Presto, he was aligned with the Conservative party, first try.

Next, he carefully answered each question as a Liberal might, and came out Liberal. He then posed as a separatist and came out as supporting the BQ. He got lumped in with the Liberals when he tried to answer NDP, but on a second try, was correctly placed in Jack Layton's camp.

Brock completed the survey three times, first selecting the "somewhat agree" response to every question. The second time, she selected "somewhat disagree" to each question, and the third time, she chose "strongly agree." Each time, she came up Liberal, which she said proved the survey on the CBC website is flawed.

Cliff van der Linden, the Toronto researcher who developed the tool, said Brock received those responses because the questions are equally balanced between the left and right side of the political spectrum.

Brock's flawed analysis was, of course, cited by the usual cabal of CBC bashers as proof of the Crown corporation's Liberal bias.

Any informed person familiar with public policy can easily prove them wrong.

© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/survey+biased/4540372/story.html#ixzz1IH9ds4ts
 
I've never claimed to be the sharpest crayon in the box, but it appears to me that, "equally balanced between the left and right side of the political spectrum," is just a glib phrase, in that "balance" means extreme opposites are cancelled out.

....to wit:
"Lower taxes" - Strongly Agree
"More government" - Strongly Disagree

The phrases are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but because they are equally opposing views, they cancel one another out, leaving centre or Liberal.

In which case, yes, the "Liberal vote generator" is a rigged game.



Edit: because my examples were RTFO  :-[
 
 
Rifleman62: I don't care who you are. The continuous slamming by the media is depressing.


Redeye: Gee, then imagine the candidate who's been hit by attack ads and little more of substance since he became leader of the party...

To clarify, depressing to me. A bunch of humanoids,  I have very little respect for, who lack ethics IMHO, get to manufacture news, tell fibs, etc.

Getting hit by "attack" ads (is that like the F-35 being an attack aircraft?), run on a schedule is different from hearing it, seeing it day after day after day.

Mr. Redeye, you and I will seldom agree, but that's what freedom is. That's what the media takes advantage of.
 
Rifleman62 said:
 
To clarify, depressing to me. A bunch of humanoids,  I have very little respect for, who lack ethics IMHO, get to manufacture news, tell fibs, etc.

Getting hit by "attack" ads (is that like the F-35 being an attack aircraft?), run on a schedule is different from hearing it, seeing it day after day after day.

Mr. Redeye, you and I will seldom agree, but that's what freedom is. That's what the media takes advantage of.

Candidly, I think the "manufacture of news" in this country isn't nearly as severe as in others, and without beating a dead horse, one need only look at Fox News to see that it's not something that's only confined to one side of the spectrum, and as you well know I'll happily state that I think there's one particular side far more guilty.

That we will seldom agree is fine.  That is, after all, the beauty of our system, and disagreeing (done with civility) and vigourous debate is what makes the democratic system work so well.  The problem is that media can be easily harnessed to flood that debate with misinformation is the problem, and the only way to counter it is to shine as much light as possible on the information regardless of the source.
 
Journeyman said:
I've never claimed to be the sharpest crayon in the box, but it appears to me that, "equally balanced between the left and right side of the political spectrum," is just a glib phrase, in that "balance" means extreme opposites are cancelled out.

....to wit:
"Lower taxes" - Strongly Agree
"More government" - Strongly Disagree

The phrases are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but because they are equally opposing views, they cancel one another out, leaving centre or Liberal.

In which case, yes, the "Liberal vote generator" is a rigged game.



Edit: because my examples were RTFO  :-[

I agree - (disregarding pencils momentarily) - the problem is not with the poll questions per se.  The problem is with the availability of the "opt out" answer - neither agree nor disagree - at the dead centrr - and then placing the Liberals right on top of the "opt out" position.

On the other hand maybe that is the right positioning for the Liberal party these days.  An Obamaesque blank slate that appeals to people with blank minds.
 
Some of this discussion has been approached before (especially since I am the biggest offender!  ;D)

Libertarians: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/45537/post-399439.html#msg399439

Politics with more dimensions http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/23744.0.html

So far everyone hunkered down; this is like watching the NHL playoffs when the New Jersey Devils had perfected the Defense Trap play. I don't see any out of left field plays (mixed metaphor alert) until near the end as people get desperate and try to boost the poll numbers one way or another. Frankly, I think we had predicted the themes and outcomes in the Elections 2009 thread.
 
It looks like Justin's campaign is starting off with a bang so to speak.

http://blog.fagstein.com/2011/04/01/liberal-candidates-qr-code-leads-to-porn-site/comment-page-1/#comment-246683

Gotta watch those typos.

KJK
 
KJK said:
It looks like Justin's campaign is starting off with a bang so to speak.

http://blog.fagstein.com/2011/04/01/liberal-candidates-qr-code-leads-to-porn-site/comment-page-1/#comment-246683

Gotta watch those typos.

KJK

that's not a typo, that's a warning to get yourself ready before you bend over and get some "attention"  from Justin.

Just like his father.
 
Kirkhill said:
I agree - (disregarding pencils momentarily) - the problem is not with the poll questions per se.  The problem is with the availability of the "opt out" answer - neither agree nor disagree - at the dead centrr - and then placing the Liberals right on top of the "opt out" position.

On the other hand maybe that is the right positioning for the Liberal party these days.  An Obamaesque blank slate that appeals to people with blank minds.

In so far as the Liberal Party as always seemed to be the party trying to present itself as all things to all people, it's probably not unrealistic to say that people who have no particular feelings on any issue will likely gravitate toward them.  That was always the joke when I was a young Tory - if you don't like what the Grits are selling today, come back tomorrow and they'll have something else.

Not only that, insofar as I understand the methodology of the quiz in terms of accounting for the shift, if the Grits are the "centre" party and "neither agree nor disagree" has to be an option, it seems reasonable to assume that answer would produce no shift on either axis leading one to wind up in the cetnre.
 
Redeye said:
Not only that, insofar as I understand the methodology of the quiz in terms of accounting for the shift, if the Grits are the "centre" party and "neither agree nor disagree" has to be an option, it seems reasonable to assume that answer would produce no shift on either axis leading one to wind up in the cetnre.

It only seems reasonable if you are a liberal or you work for CBC, for most others its seems very biased.
 
KJK said:
It looks like Justin's campaign is starting off with a bang so to speak.

http://blog.fagstein.com/2011/04/01/liberal-candidates-qr-code-leads-to-porn-site/comment-page-1/#comment-246683

Gotta watch those typos.

KJK

don't forget to check today's date...
 
KJK said:
It looks like Justin's campaign is starting off with a bang so to speak.

http://blog.fagstein.com/2011/04/01/liberal-candidates-qr-code-leads-to-porn-site/comment-page-1/#comment-246683

Gotta watch those typos.

KJK
What Mercius said - also check the comments.....
 
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