ETO's

[captloadie]

Let me guess. You are a tech crewman who is wondering why you are being told you have to use your CR (crew rest)days at a certain time, instead of banking them for another time. Your squadron is likely applying a policy that ensures there are enough people to man the lines of taskings. You can check with other Sqns (try 437), and you will likely find that most Sqns direct when you must take certain CR days. At least that was the way it was when I flew. Gone are the days (in most Sqns) when you could bank 14 CR days and take them for an extended holiday.

 

[PMedMoe]

Let me guess. You are a tech crewman

Profile check:  MP

 

[captloadie]

HMMM, interesting. I never asked the Air Marshalls MPs who flew with us how, or if, they were compensated for time off when they flew.
Those who flew on the Herc at the time were considered aircrew (I believe), so the same time off/CR days applied, but that was only in theatre.

 

[MP 811]

Let me guess. You are a tech crewman who is wondering why you are being told you have to use your CR (crew rest)days at a certain time, instead of banking them for another time. Your squadron is likely applying a policy that ensures there are enough people to man the lines of taskings. You can check with other Sqns (try 437), and you will likely find that most Sqns direct when you must take certain CR days. At least that was the way it was when I flew. Gone are the days (in most Sqns) when you could bank 14 CR days and take them for an extended holiday.

Thats just it...........I, or I should say we, dont get crew rest.....so as an example, I arrive back in Canada on a Thursday at 6 pm after flying 14 plus hours (too many time zones to count and crossing the international date line) and I have to be into work on Fri, but the crew I worked with have CR.....

Im not asking for a seat in the senate.......just looking at options for making things fair without pissing anyone off.

 

[GAP]

I've kept out of this.....but I gotta ask.....just gotta......aren't you resting while the crew is flying?  ;D

 

[MP 811]

I've kept out of this.....but I gotta ask.....just gotta......aren't you resting while the crew is flying?  ;D

LOL!!!!............thank you for bringing a little levity to this!......

 

[Strike]

JM, do you get any type of casual aircrew allowance?  I only ask because, if so, than you can use the argument that you are under 1 CAD flying orders until your full crew day, including crew rest, are complete.

Just trying to help by providing a different way of looking at things.

 

[SupersonicMax]

I work the same hours as the crew does.....at times, maybe an hour or so more.  Sometimes, the crew are waiting for me/us on the bus as we finish up what needs to be done.

Im also looking at other Sqn's orders pertaining to this issue, which I stated in my 3rd post of this topic.  Im hoping that we can incorporate these order's into our unit.

The reason the crew gets crew rest is so they can operate the aircraft in a safe manner.  If you are not part of the crew, you do not need crew rest.  I have spent a lot of time working more than the prescribed 12 hrs as a non-crew at the squadron.  Such is life.  (Getting to work at 3PM, for a 10PM launch, a 3AM recovery to a 8AM Ops Desk shift until 14PM, for a total of 23hrs straight at work.)

 

[MP 811]

JM, do you get any type of casual aircrew allowance?  I only ask because, if so, than you can use the argument that you are under 1 CAD flying orders until your full crew day, including crew rest, are complete.

Just trying to help by providing a different way of looking at things.

Yes we do...thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

 

[MP 811]

The reason the crew gets crew rest is so they can operate the aircraft in a safe manner.  If you are not part of the crew, you do not need crew rest.  I have spent a lot of time working more than the prescribed 12 hrs as a non-crew at the squadron.  Such is life.  (Getting to work at 3PM, for a 10PM launch, a 3AM recovery to a 8AM Ops Desk shift until 14PM, for a total of 23hrs straight at work.)

We are part of the crew during missions.  I thank everybody for pointing me in the direction I need to go to formulate something up that I can forward up the chain for consideration.  I have to say though, im a little disapointed in a few posts here that did nothing to contribute to the original question.

Mod's feel free to close this topic now. 

 

[aesop081]

We are part of the crew during missions. 

Yes you are. That being said, the aircraft is not going to crash if you are tired and the relevant rules do not apply to you. You can remuster to an aircrew trade if it bothers you that much. Its all rainbows and butterflies here in green grass land.

I have to say though, im a little disapointed

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We all have to live with some disapointment.

 

[MJP]

We are part of the crew during missions.  I thank everybody for pointing me in the direction I need to go to formulate something up that I can forward up the chain for consideration.  I have to say though, im a little disapointed in a few posts here that did nothing to contribute to the original question.

Mod's feel free to close this topic now.

Meh  Most people are disappointed when they don't hear what they want to hear.  If you had laid out the whole situation right from the beginning rather than have us play whack-a-mole to figure it out, maybe you wouldn't have had to hear "answers" you didn't like.  Maybe a look in the mirror is in order rather than being "disappointed" in some posts.

 

[MP 811]

Meh  Most people are disappointed when they don't hear what they want to hear.  If you had laid out the whole situation right from the beginning rather than have us play whack-a-mole to figure it out, maybe you wouldn't have had to hear "answers" you didn't like.  Maybe a look in the mirror is in order rather than being "disappointed" in some posts.

Actually, I did get what I wanted to get which was the whole purpose of the thread.  Many provided me with the "answers" I asked for hence why I asked for the topic to be closed.  It wasnt so much "answers" I didnt like....it was the throwing comments in with veiled "jabs" for lack of a better term that didnt need to be posted.

I asked a "to the point question", which was to guide me to anything in writing pertaining to directives on ETO's.  If someone didnt have something useful to add...i.e, administrative orders, or special leave, then why post?  What usefullness was served by throwing a "so what?.....I've flown 18 straight hours and got nothing" into this other than a little self gratifcation with a quick snide jab?

Anyways........thank you all who provided me with what I asked for originally.  Much appreciated!

 

[MJP]

Actually, I did get what I wanted to get which was the whole purpose of the thread.  Many provided me with the "answers" I asked for hence why I asked for the topic to be closed.  It wasnt so much "answers" I didnt like....it was the throwing comments in with veiled "jabs" for lack of a better term that didnt need to be posted.

I asked a "to the point question", which was to guide me to anything in writing pertaining to directives on ETO's.  If someone didnt have something useful to add...i.e, administrative orders, or special leave, then why post?  What usefullness was served by throwing a "so what?.....I've flown 18 straight hours and got nothing" into this other than a little self gratifcation with a quick snide jab?

Anyways........thank you all who provided me with what I asked for originally.  Much appreciated!

I think you are missing the whole point.  If you had come one and said "hey can you bank ETOs and here is my situation blah blah blah".  You would have had a much more factual response with allot less "snide jabs"

Truth is this issue that comes up fairly regularly here on the boards, and therefore has been answered ad nausem for most situations.  We generally as a rule do not like to do other peoples leg work for them if the info is out there.  Yours I admit was intriguing once you laid it out.  But you took your sweet time giving enough details so that the collective wisdom here could give you a way forward.

Again I stand by my statement that part of the problem stands before you in the mirror each day.  If you had given timely, clear info then much hand wringing and angst would not have followed.

Anyway have a good few ETO days off

edited for spelling

 

[CountDC]

good that you got your answer just me but I do have to agree with MJP that your initial question did not contain the details needed to answer what you actually wanted to know.  In fact it mixed two unrelated things (ETO and Accumulated) that really didn't correspond to what you were after which was Crew Rest.

Good luck in your plan.

I know the comment on resting was done as a funny(maybe  ) but it did remind me of something I read awhile back.  Something like If you are a passenger in a moving vehicle even if you sleep you will not get fully rested as your brain and body is constantly adjusting to the movement.