Everything biggoals knows about the infantry, split from Re: Comparing the Regiments

[Biggoals2bdone]

I'll chime in,

PPCLI: well i've only heard the cowboy rumour, but you know they did a bang up job everytime they were in A-stan.  Hell one of there troopies got the long range sniper kill record, so you know what they get the job done.
RCR: As the oldest of the 3 regiments, they are kinda like the Royal Navy in the UK, sticklers for traditions, and their heritage, therefore get their anal rep.
R22eR: My dad was with them, and he said they were tough as nails, professional, and that they had to be better then english speakers.  They also took care to pride themselves greatly on their dress.

But like other people mentioned here, every batallion is different, but also the officers and NCO's in charge have a large impact on that as well.

 

[Journeyman]

I'll chime in,

Why?

I've personally avoided jumping in on those threads where you feel you have some degree of expertise.

In this case, however (despite your blank profile) you are obviously not infantry -- never were; never will be.
That's not an insult. It's just fact.

Please, stay in your lane.

 

[Biggoals2bdone]

Why you ask....

Because well I felt inclined to, because this is a free country after all, also I was trying to lead the conversation BACK to the topic, and also just because you are not something, does that mean you should never speak about?  if that was the case, reporters wouldn't have much to say, and a lot of people on here would post a whole hell of a lot less.

I did what others did and you didn't jump on them for not being infantry, so why get on my case now?
Also I felt passing on an opinion from someone who was (my father) in the R22eR, was an OKAY thing to do.

 

[the 48th regulator]

Why you ask....

Because well I felt inclined to, because this is a free country after all, also I was trying to lead the conversation BACK to the topic, and also just because you are not something, does that mean you should never speak about?  if that was the case, reporters wouldn't have much to say, and a lot of people on here would post a whole hell of a lot less.

I did what others did and you didn't jump on them for not being infantry, so why get on my case now?
Also I felt passing on an opinion from someone who was (my father) in the R22eR, was an OKAY thing to do.

So it is safe to say, that your statement regading the three regiments is based on heresay?

You have never met, served or even broke bread with current serving members of each regiment, correct?

Wouldn't you agree then that Journeyman is correct in his assesment?

I agree stay in your lane, and even in those you have stumbled.

dileas

tess

 

[Biggoals2bdone]

Okay not trying to step on your toes, I just don't agree with your black and white logic.

According to your logic, no one who hasn't met, played, or broke bread with an NHL player, may speak about the teams or anything pertaining to them.

Anyone who hasn't met, spoken to, broke bread with a politician is hereby not allowed to discuss politics.

What im saying is that according to your logic people have restraints on what they can or cannot speak about.

And please do tell where I stumbled...honestly this smacks a bit of personal distaste for me, some kind of mad on for me, bordering on harassment, because you felt the need to single me out with the title, and using your position as a site Staff, to badger me and basically tell me off to not write again...or else.



Quag mine aren't aimed at you, we're cool.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Big,

I am guessing that if you were talking to NHL players, they may not take your comments all that seriously.

If you were hanging out ion the house of Commons, you might get the same reaction

So when you hang out in Army.ca with a bunch of people who serve in or with, or have served in or with the units in question, don't be surprised if your comments are perceived as slightly out of your lane.

Just an observation.

 

[Michael OLeary]

I'll chime in,

PPCLI: well i've only heard the cowboy rumour, but you know they did a bang up job everytime they were in A-stan.  Hell one of there troopies got the long range sniper kill record, so you know what they get the job done.
RCR: As the oldest of the 3 regiments, they are kinda like the Royal Navy in the UK, sticklers for traditions, and their heritage, therefore get their anal rep.
R22eR: My dad was with them, and he said they were tough as nails, professional, and that they had to be better then english speakers.  They also took care to pride themselves greatly on their dress.

But like other people mentioned here, every batallion is different, but also the officers and NCO's in charge have a large impact on that as well.

Let's see, to summarize your comments:

PPCLI - "cowboys"
The RCR - "anal"
R22eR - "tough as nails, professional", "better then english speakers"

Now who might you expect to take offence at that in a thread being mostly used by experienced infantry soldiers to discuss relative factual comparisons between the regiments and battlions?

Yes, you can stay here in Radio Chatter with posts like that.  And please, play the wounded one and take umbrage, and perhaps you'll soon be looking for a new site to post your free speech.

 

[Biggoals2bdone]

PPCLI GUY, im not offended, that is your opinion, but these boards are up so we can give our opinions, in a polite and orderly fashion which I did, and gave some insight from a member who served in R22eR.  Basically I did like everyone else on this forum, not everyone on this forum only talks about units that they currently serve or have in the past, I sincerely doubt anyone can guarantee that.  

What did offend me was the people, especially a milnet Staff, giving me the equivalent of "shut up, and piss off" as a comment.  For the simple fact that I did nothing wrong, that this same person did not say that to everyone else who talks about things they aren't serving in/with etc, and that i generally don't have to or do tolerate senseless bullying.

O'Leary: I PERSONALLY did not say that about the R22eR guys, and if you read correctly I didn't say they WERE better, I said they HAD to be better, as in to get the recognition, because this was 70's or 80's and well there was more discrimination against francos back then.

Lets summarize more....
Cowboys...well I am NOT the only person to have said this, in this thread or in this country, so you can't jump on just me, read the WHOLE thread the expression was used how many times, hell they even quoted a General saying it. nuff said.
"anal"...again well geee how many times was this same expression used in this thread....at least 10-20 i'd guess, and WE ALL know that it is an expression, and im pretty sure we all know what it means, so again, if you're gonna jump on me for this go get EVERYONE else who did too. nuff said.
Tough as nails....whats bad about that...in saying that my father who served with them, said that its suddenly wrong??  so is it wrong because it was said about a french regiment?? or is it wrong because of something else....because it clearly doesn't say anything negative about the other regiments, it doesn't imply that they weren't just as tough.
as far as the better then english speakers bit...QUOTE ME RIGHT, my father said that they HAD TO BE BETTER THEN ENGLISH SPEAKERS.

I'm not playing anything, you and 48th are jumping all over me, for words and opinions that have been equally shared on here by other members, and by the opinion of a man who did serve (my father).  I've heard stuff against francophones on here to, like that they can get away with whatever they want, they can do all kinds of bad things, and no one will crap on them, or that they are un-patriotic, I don't see you chasing them down.

 

[the 48th regulator]

And please do tell where I stumbled...honestly this smacks a bit of personal distaste for me, some kind of mad on for me, bordering on harassment, because you felt the need to single me out with the title, and using your position as a site Staff, to badger me and basically tell me off to not write again...or else.

You know what, I see what you are trying to do on this site.  So rather tan me trying to point out how negative you are, I will let Biggoals2bdone argue (the one from this thread) with Biggoals2bdone (from elswhere in this forum).

PPCLI GUY, im not offended, that is your opinion, but these boards are up so we can give our opinions, in a polite and orderly fashion which I did, and gave some insight from a member who served in R22eR.  Basically I did like everyone else on this forum, not everyone on this forum only talks about units that they currently serve or have in the past, I sincerely doubt anyone can guarantee that.  

Well im here again, and well i must say that im saddened by the lack of knowledge for physical training in this forum, its seems very limited to run, push-ups and sit-ups...

What did offend me was the people, especially a milnet Staff, giving me the equivalent of "shut up, and piss off" as a comment.  For the simple fact that I did nothing wrong, that this same person did not say that to everyone else who talks about things they aren't serving in/with etc, and that i generally don't have to or do tolerate senseless bullying.

HatchetMan: you picked an appropriate name bub, its fine and dandy to recommend something, but unless you bring evidence to the table about something, i wouldn't call it outdated and, say you appear fit...before you speak, think, research, think some more, think more maybe speak.

O'Leary: I PERSONALLY did not say that about the R22eR guys, and if you read correctly I didn't say they WERE better, I said they HAD to be better, as in to get the recognition, because this was 70's or 80's and well there was more discrimination against francos back then.

Lets summarize more....
Cowboys...well I am NOT the only person to have said this, in this thread or in this country, so you can't jump on just me, read the WHOLE thread the expression was used how many times, hell they even quoted a General saying it. nuff said.
"anal"...again well geee how many times was this same expression used in this thread....at least 10-20 i'd guess, and WE ALL know that it is an expression, and im pretty sure we all know what it means, so again, if you're gonna jump on me for this go get EVERYONE else who did too. nuff said.
Tough as nails....whats bad about that...in saying that my father who served with them, said that its suddenly wrong??   so is it wrong because it was said about a french regiment?? or is it wrong because of something else....because it clearly doesn't say anything negative about the other regiments, it doesn't imply that they weren't just as tough.
as far as the better then english speakers bit...QUOTE ME RIGHT, my father said that they HAD TO BE BETTER THEN ENGLISH SPEAKERS..

comparing driving cars vs motorcycles is not akin to benching vs push-ups....you are distorting things BIG time by making this comparison, thats as daft as saying i know how to skydive because i bungee jumped and well both involve jumping in the sky from very high....

Your implying that both cars and motorcycles run on engines, wheels and have clutches make them all the same...thats me saying well all birds have wings, and beaks...so they all only get 1 name...

I'm not playing anything, you and 48th are jumping all over me, for words and opinions that have been equally shared on here by other members, and by the opinion of a man who did serve (my father).  I've heard stuff against francophones on here to, like that they can get away with whatever they want, they can do all kinds of bad things, and no one will crap on them, or that they are un-patriotic, I don't see you chasing them down.

Well in keeping with the theme of your bleating, I will offer my opinion, which is definately going to be perceived as jumping on you; because it is.



Not once in any of your posts, oh wait except the one about the dogfights shows on the history channel, have you offered a peaceful tone about your opinion.  You weigh in your thoughts, and smack about anyone that you do not agree with.  Plain and simple you are a bully.  When someone challenges you in any way, like a bully you pull back and start screaming rape real loud trying to make us look bad (that means those that challenge you and mods).  You favourite is taking shots at the moderating staff, even when we ask you to stay in your lane.

Listen Bub, you may be able to bully the children on your street, or the produce clerk at your local grocery store, but you are jack here.  You have the brass balls to challenge people who have served in the Regiments that you insult, and back it up by saying you are the son of one of those regimental members.   I have never served in any of those regiments, but am proud to say I have served with members of all three and am appalled at the misguided opinion you offer.  That kind of stuff is shite you talk about in the mess, regimental rivalry crap, of which you absolutely no "Nothing" of.  GET THAT? NADA!!!

So let me actually tell you my opinion in short. I believe you are an angry little man, that has to come here to pick fights to feel good.  Why don't you take you caitiff attitude and opinions and stay in your lanes, basically STFU with regards to offering opinion in threads where facts are needed.  Keep your opinionated posts to those that you have a base of knowledge to draw from, not second hand hearsay.

There you whined about getting bitchslapped by me, I am going to get my two cents worth.

dileas

tess

 

[GAP]

It actually sounds like he's listened to stories daddy told around the campfire/table, etc.....and exfoliated his image into them....ahhhh....dreams, where would we be without them.

He'll want to be a fireman next....

 

[Greymatters]

You know what, I see what you are trying to do on this site.  So rather tan me trying to point out how negative you are, I will let Biggoals2bdone argue (the one from this thread) with Biggoals2bdone (from elswhere in this forum). 

Brilliant!  All bow to the master...

 

[Biggoals2bdone]

The PPCLI have a reputation as being cowboys, and the RCR have a reputation for being very annal.  I won‘t share my opinion in this area, but I figured this is the information you are looking for.

    Yard Ape

Hi everyone, not sure if you're familiar with my story but to summarize I'm just sitting here waiting to go to basic then the infantry. I have been thinking a lot lately about the two different regiments I'll have to request/get volunteered for, and was wondering some things.

What are the two differences between PPCLI and RCR? I mean fundamental differences, attitude differences, training etc. It is not something I've really seen mentioned here.

I talked to a few senior NCO's, mostly PPCLI but also a few (retired) RCR's, and aside from promoting their own regiments, from what I gathered it seemed to me that the Patricias are a more ... rowdier, aggressive bunch whom I got an impression were a bit tighter knit as a family.. And the impression I got from the former RCR's is that they are more .. professional, calm/cool, not quite as outwardly rowdy as the 2VP but just as aggressive. Another example is when I talked to my father (who was in the RCR's before remustering as an RMS CLK) I told him how one of my friends in the Patricias talked to his Warrant on a peer to peer level - even calling eachother by the first name. This is what I meant by a bit more closely knit as a family. However, my father said that would never happen in the RCR's due to their highly professional nature (I am not in any way saying the 2VP are not professional) just that the RCR's are more formal it would seem.

So, in my continuing effort for more information and after seeing quite a healthy dose of both 2VP and the RCR's posting here on the forum, I thought I would throw this question out and see what I get. Please take note that, I am in no way saying one is better than the other or vice versa, the above is simply what I gathered from talking to a handful of the soldiers here. If you have something to add or correct me on please tell me as I want to see the underlying differences between both regiments and see which one suits me most.

Thanks in advance

Differences ...........PPCLI-West
                                        RCR-East

No big differences.....we are all trained by the same system. The RCR like the parade square a little more then us, but at the end of the day we put take our pants off one leg at a time. The reputation has always been there that the PPCLI are a bit rough around the edges compared to the RCR. I have never been with the RCR, only going on what you see and hear from guys that have re-badged etc. I think what you should ask yourself is where you want to live and work. I could come up with all sorts of slams and what we call each other.....but that is being part of a Regiment and "Band of Brothers" so to speak. We are all professions and volunteers, but as far as 1st name basis with your Platoon WO etc....that is a no no in both Regiments and CF in general. I am not saying it doesn't happen, it all depends on who you work with and the environment you are working in.

Patricia's are better looking than Royals.  Maybe its the western air...not sure.  Other than that, no difference.

Heres my two cents worth
I was RCR for 10 years before I re-mustered. I have worked with both PPCLI and Vandoo. TO say who or what is better is a matter of personnel preference.  Yes the RCR hold tradition to heart but that doesn't mean in tactics like someone posted earlier.  Yes the PPCLI are seen as a bunch of Cowboys why because they are from out west... Hello prairie country!!!!! If you want to live and work out west join the PPCLI and have fun enjoy your career if you are french and want to live in Quebec become a Vandoo by all means. If you want to line in Ontario or out east RCR all the way. 9 Time out of 10 we are all going to go to the same countries and do the same things (tours) who's better who knows if you look, dress and act like a professional soldier then you will be treated as one..
Have a nice day 

hmmm well heres my synopsis of the regiments as a reservist

PPCLI (i went on tour with 2)- work hard, play harder attitude, when i was with them from oct 2002 til oct of 2003 (first six months in winnipeg, last in bosnia oviously) the first six months were spent doing work up training, after hours well Winnipeg has a pretty good bar scene (not as great as Edmontons, Ottawas or Montreal mind you but certainly better than Pet) but the bad part IT IS FREKKIN COLDER N HELL we frequently reached temperatures of -40, and it even dipped as far as minus 60 a few times so during the winter it is cold, during the summer its a fair weather but lots of mosquitos (not as much as my regiments back yard Burwash mind you), as well the training areas are really flat, Shilo and Wainwright dont offer much in difference of terrain, Nav is hard as there is barely any prominant features, but mountaineering courses would be easy to get done as the rockies are close by

RCR- have never really worked with them too much other than seeing the RSS staff at my unit, but they are very professional and i saw someone say they are very slow to adopt new tactics, i find this a bit true, though they too party hard though have to travel to do so, the good thing about their training areas, is Pet is one big area that has plenty of different terrain so you can do a lot more withouit traveling

the Van Doos -dont piss them off thats all i know

Just to give you a little background about myself so you can a gage what i have to say.
I joined always wanting to be an RCR. I've served full time with 1RCR(8 YRS) and 3RCR(3 YRS). I've also had the pleasure of working with 2RCR just not on a full time basis. All the other regiments have their opinions about the others. Each battalion of those regiments are different and have different idiocyncracies. PPCLI are seen as cowboys and renegades(maybe thats because they are from the prairies?), the Vandoos are seen as being untouchable because some of their pers do things that would get any other unit in trouble. These are just some peoples observations and opinions. Let the units actions speak for them and weight what you've heard with a grain of salt.

Some members on the post have given you alot to digest in your quest. take it with a grain of salt and weed out the useless stuff from the good advice.

All the regiments have loads of history and traditions. Each regiment has recruits from all over Canada. Their bases are more regionalized though. RCR- east coast(Gagetown,NB) and central Canada(Petawawa,ON)
            PPCLI- west coast(Edmonton,AB/ Shilo,MAN)
            R22eR- Quebec(Valcartier/Quebec City,QC)

RCR- Are seen as the more traditionalists. They are more rigid in their conduct and appearance. Some would say anal about the rules and regulations.

Just my two cents.

Cheers!

Each Regiment has it's personality.....
While R22R, RCR and PPCLI are all "infantry" they don't necessarily do things in quite the same way. They're all professional, they represent their regiments well but..............IMHO of course:
RCR always seem to be too serious and ???? (constipated/anal?)
PPCLI a product of western Canada - a little more "cowboy"?
R22R a little bit more laid back - constantly switches back & forth from Fr to Eng & back

Oh Contraire! Comd 1 CMBG, on a visit to the BN late last year in fact said that the rest of the Bde views 2 PPCLI as a bunch of COWBOYS

AND I CAN GO ON.  These people all said something that they either, heard or saw, 2nd or 1st hand knowledge, and actually used words like COWBOYS and ANAL Hey wait a minute, didn't I use those words too, shucks I did, but I don't see you being Mr.Bully and going after them.

And 48th, as for your comparing my recent posts with my earlier ones in different threads, yes i admit that I came off harsh, and I also apoligized for it, so I don't see what you are driving at.  There is a big difference between this thread and the other one you used quotes of me in, one is opinion based, and the other is science/exercise.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Thing is all of those people you quoted are members that are serving or have served with the possible exception of the 1st one who has no profile listed and would have a better "impression" then someone who has here-say info.  Every regiment has anal types, cowboys, and party fiends.  Some just have more then others.

 

[Journeyman]

OK, try this metaphor on for size.

I go into a thread or site dedicated specifically to bodybuilding, where bodybuilders are discussing their sport, and I post:

"Bodybuilders are all fags. Because they cannot get laid, instead of realizing it's because they have no personality, they assume it's because of their physique, so they overcompensate by living at the gym and getting such poor fake tans they look like an oompa loompa."

Now, I know you wouldn't take any offense to that because it's just an opinion; it may not even be mine, but I felt inclined to post it because this is a free country after all. Sure, I've never been a bodybuilder.1 Nonetheless, I've heard other people say these things, and my father has a body, so I'm certainly entitled to post my opinion on bodybuilding.

If these bodybuilders subsequently respond with a collective "WTF....loser?" should I immediately sulk and say, "well other people are saying it, you harassing McBullies!"....or should I take responsibility for posting what I did because I'M the one who posted it....or better yet, should I have not posted it in the first place because I don't know squat about bodybuilding? (a quick perusal of my postings, by the way, will find them absent in the Cadet forum and limited in the Navy and Airforce threads -- it's called staying in one's lane)

Now, before anyone reverts to a default paranoia that bullies may be ganging up  : , this is just a fictional metaphor;
....I personally do not believe that all bodybuilders are fags.2




1. Mind you, to more closely align with your infantry opinion, I should never have been in a gym at all, because not only are you obviously not infantry, I doubt you're even Army.

2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fag
fag n.
   1. a. A student at a British public school who is required to perform menial tasks for a student in a higher class.
       b. A drudge.
   2. Chiefly British; Fatiguing or tedious work; drudgery.

 

[Timmy!]

-RCR, PPCLI, R22eR...
I had the honor to serve with members of each regiment. Everyone of them is great. I shall never forget them.

-Now since we are talking about the pass.. of your old man.... what about Former Reg Force Regiments. I would love to hear about the Black Watch.

What did offend me was the people, especially a milnet Staff, giving me the equivalent of "shut up, and piss off" as a comment.  For the simple fact that I did nothing wrong, that this same person did not say that to everyone else who talks about things they aren't serving in/with etc, and that i generally don't have to or do tolerate senseless bullying.

-Can't handle the fire? Get out then. Hit that "X" Button on top right of the screen.


Have a Nice Day,
TN2IC

 

[Inch]

Ok fellas, I'm no infantryman nor do I play one on TV, but I am DS and as far as I can see, this discussion is nothing but a pile on.

Locked for now.

Inch
Army.ca Staff