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[CanadianCamel]

Hello all,

I usually turn a blind eye to these pages but this really got under my skin. There's a facebook page called "Royal Canadian Infidels" that's currently doing the rounds around my newsfeed.
The page can be easily found if you search the name either in google or facebook. It is currently sharing a lot of hate speech regarding muslims. They do not hold back by any means.

In my brief military career I've never been so ashamed of Canadian soldiers. The ignorance coming out of Royal Canadian Infidel is astounding. I want everyone that reads this post today to go ahead and give it a quick search. The page is currently run by students on DP1 infantry. They've never been to battalion. They're wearing generic infantry cap badges because they aren't with a regiment yet.

While I cannot identify the members that are currently running the page. No name tags visible just the infantry battle school capbadge. (Some of them apparently are going to 3VP this Friday). I figured with the help of this community we can put a stop to this before it spreads to the media and does a lot of damage to our institution.

Chimo 

 

[ArmyRick]

Agreed. I think it will eventually bring discredit to the forces. It would be better if they had no uniforms or CF kit in any of the pics. I intend to report this to Meaford CoC soonest.

 

[Remius]

Hello all,

I usually turn a blind eye to these pages but this really got under my skin. There's a facebook page called "Royal Canadian Infidels" that's currently doing the rounds around my newsfeed.
The page can be easily found if you search the name either in google or facebook. It is currently sharing a lot of hate speech regarding muslims. They do not hold back by any means.

In my brief military career I've never been so ashamed of Canadian soldiers. The ignorance coming out of Royal Canadian Infidel is astounding. I want everyone that reads this post today to go ahead and give it a quick search. The page is currently run by students on DP1 infantry. They've never been to battalion. They're wearing generic infantry cap badges because they aren't with a regiment yet.

While I cannot identify the members that are currently running the page. No name tags visible just the infantry battle school capbadge. (Some of them apparently are going to 3VP this Friday). I figured with the help of this community we can put a stop to this before it spreads to the media and does a lot of damage to our institution.

Chimo 

Have you thought about reporting this to Facebook itself?

 

[CanadianCamel]

I have reported it to Facebook. However, that does not stop the members running the page from posting again in the future if Facebook closes down the page. They're a front for some store (Looks like they're the ones running it), they'll pop up again.

Better to stop it completely than just put a bandaid on it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I figured with the help of this community we can put a stop to this before it spreads to the media and does a lot of damage to our institution.

I respect your intent to stop them but you just gave them national publicity and sent hundreds, if not thousands (soon enough) of people to them to check it out. 

 

[CanadianCamel]

Jarnhamar,

At the time of writing, it had already been shared by 6 civilian friends. That's how I found out about it. So its already making the rounds.

Plus given the reach this forum has. I assume, hopefully, their CoC is on it already and the page should be taken down shortly.

If you have any ideas on how to better handle this situation, I am open to suggestions.

 

[RocketRichard]

Checked it out.  The racist comments towards Islam will get these soldiers (if they are in the C.F.)  in deep ka ka.

 

[Lumber]

I took a look. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry, or both.

 

[ArmyRick]

Meaford is now aware of this shanigan, I suggest we let them handle this.

 

[CanadianCamel]

Update:
This is the response I got from Facebook when I reported the page.

"Thanks for letting us know about the Page you reported for harassment. As of now, it hasn't been removed because we found that it doesn't go against the Facebook Community Standards."

That gave me a good laugh.

 

[CanadianCamel]

Meaford is now aware of this shanigan, I suggest we let them handle this.

ArmyRick, appreciate you giving them the heads up.

CHIMO

 

[Pieman]

Since Facebook is an American company they are going to apply American free speech laws to their policies. I believe they do have hate crime laws but it's no where near Canadian standards from what I understand. In other words, I don't think they will respond unless the group posts pornographic or images depicting extreme violence etc.

 

[mariomike]

If you have any ideas on how to better handle this situation, I am open to suggestions.

From Facebook,

"Not all disagreeable or disturbing content violates our Community Standards. For this reason, we offer you the ability to customize and control what you see by unfollowing, blocking, and hiding the posts, people, Pages, and applications you don’t want to see – and we encourage you to use these controls to better personalize your experience.

People also often resolve issues they have about a piece of content by simply reaching out to the person who posted it. We’ve created tools for you to communicate directly with other people when you’re unhappy with posts, photos, or other content you see on Facebook."
https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards

 

[brihard]

Hello all,

I usually turn a blind eye to these pages but this really got under my skin. There's a facebook page called "Royal Canadian Infidels" that's currently doing the rounds around my newsfeed.
The page can be easily found if you search the name either in google or facebook. It is currently sharing a lot of hate speech regarding muslims. They do not hold back by any means.

In my brief military career I've never been so ashamed of Canadian soldiers. The ignorance coming out of Royal Canadian Infidel is astounding. I want everyone that reads this post today to go ahead and give it a quick search. The page is currently run by students on DP1 infantry. They've never been to battalion. They're wearing generic infantry cap badges because they aren't with a regiment yet.

While I cannot identify the members that are currently running the page. No name tags visible just the infantry battle school capbadge. (Some of them apparently are going to 3VP this Friday). I figured with the help of this community we can put a stop to this before it spreads to the media and does a lot of damage to our institution.

Chimo 

This Jordie Hawley clown looks to be one of them.

https://www.facebook.com/jordie.hawley?fref=ufi

A 'selfie' of him was posted by the page account.

What a bunch of shitbirds.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Jarnhamar,

At the time of writing, it had already been shared by 6 civilian friends. That's how I found out about it. So its already making the rounds.

Plus given the reach this forum has. I assume, hopefully, their CoC is on it already and the page should be taken down shortly.

If you have any ideas on how to better handle this situation, I am open to suggestions.

Not trying to bust your balls brother.  With over 8000 likes or whatever it's a safe assumption the military people that care about this stuff are in the know.
I never knew what Cpl Bloggins was, nor did many of my peers, until the chain of command formed us up and told us not to go on the site. Of course as soon as we were dismissed 95% of the people raced to check out what it was.

What would I have done? Give the MPs a shout and report that it looks like service members are making racist comments on social media. They do their investigations, gather evidence, prove the people making the comments are actually them (I can make a facebook profile with your name and pictures on it).

Reporting the page to the facebook police? *If* they remove the page then in my experience that will just drive the page makers to put up another page. And another page. And another page. Then copy cat pages go up. As we seen in the Cpl Bloggins crap some offended CF members made fake Cpl Bloggins pages and started making fun of dead CF soldiers to try and get the original blogging members in shit.

Besides the Liberals say they want an even MORE streamlined Canadian Forces, let them head hunt these offenders and give them the boot.  Consider it job security  ;D

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Why is everyone so surprised that we have a bunch of guys in the Canadian Military who don't like Muslims?

Newsflash TS, we spent 10+ years fighting Muslims in Afghanistan.  We've probably got more than a few soldiers who don't like Muslims.  Are they making sweeping generalizations?  Do I think they need to have things put in perspective?  Do I disagree with them?  Yes to all but I'm not going to cry about it on here and moan about how embarassed I am about it because that sort of thing only feeds the trolls.  Grow a pair, go on the site and set the record straight if you're so concerned or as someone else said, report it to the Military Police who can launch their own investigation.

My grandfather fought against the Germans in WWII and didn't like Germans until the day he died, in fact, he hated them.  Was it right of him?  Not really, but he had his reasons and I'm not going to sit here and act all holier than thow about it.

As for the idiots posting pics of themselves in uniform, find out who they are and charge them.  Just another example that you can't teach stupid.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Why is everyone so surprised that we have a bunch of guys in the Canadian Military who don't like Muslims?

Newsflash TS, we spent 10+ years fighting Muslims in Afghanistan.  We've probably got more than a few soldiers who don't like Muslims.  Are they making sweeping generalizations?  Do I think they need to have things put in perspective?  Do I disagree with them?  Yes to all but I'm not going to cry about it on here and moan about how embarassed I am about it because that sort of thing only feeds the trolls.  Grow a pair, go on the site and set the record straight if you're so concerned or as someone else said, report it to the Military Police who can launch their own investigation.

My grandfather fought against the Germans in WWII and didn't like Germans until the day he died, in fact, he hated them.  Was it right of him?  Not really, but he had his reasons and I'm not going to sit here and act all holier than thow about it.

As for the idiots posting pics of themselves in uniform, find out who they are and charge them.  Just another example that you can't teach stupid.

Maybe I missed it, but I see a bunch of anti ISIS stuff not anti Muslim stuff. Other than the tenuous tie of some people dressed in CADPAT I don't see what the big deal is. As these things go, the site is pretty tame. More about selling T-shirts than anything else.

In the interest of full disclosure, perhaps the OP would like to say whether they are Muslim. It may help add context to the discussion.


I hate trial by social site. Especially, when people are reported to the authorities, even when they aren't breaking any laws. It's nice to know that with all the other stuff the MPs and NIS have to deal with in Meaford right now, they now have to chase down unsubstantiated rumours of racism.

 

[brihard]

Maybe I missed it, but I see a bunch of anti ISIS stuff not anti Muslim stuff. Other than the tenuous tie of some people dressed in CADPAT I don't see what the big deal is. As these things go, the site is pretty tame. More about selling T-shirts than anything else.

In the interest of full disclosure, perhaps the OP would like to say whether they are Muslim. It may help add context to the discussion.

I would argue that the OPs identity is wholly irrelevant. Is the conduct of CAF perssonel visible on that page acceptable, or not? If not, it should be acted upon. Whether the OP happens to be a member of a targeted religion/ethnicity/group is completely immaterial. Would we expect only women to speak up about sexual harassment, or visible minorities to address racism? Or are leaders at all levels expected to deal with apparent issues of soldier conduct that contravenes the standards we expect them to adhere to?

 

[Flavus101]

The pictures of the folks in CADPAT could easily have been taken from another site and posted there without the boys in the picture knowing. It is very easy to download an image from google, slap on some text and re-upload it.

I also see photos that are of an anti-isis nature, as well as the new strain of t-shirts that seem to come about whenever something big happens on the global stage.

Before we start condemning people, let's get the facts set straight.

 

[ArmyRick]

I did report it to their CoC in Meaford. The problems I see are using the title "infidels" which in my mind is deliberately infuriating and inflamming a sensitive topic among Canadians and two operations we are involved with (We have a muslim section of society and we work in coalition with muslims overseas). Also posing in uniforms and holding issued weapons on a web site with "Fook ISIS" kind of brings discredit to the CF and makes us look like a rag tag yahoo organization. I am not their boss, but I would not tolerate such nonsense from the troops in my company.

As far they may not be their own pictures, thats why we do investigations. To determine if they did or not.

As for people defending this page, USE COMMON SENSE, this will only drive further hatred against the CF and possibly Canada in general.