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ObedientiaZelum said:
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First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)
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LineJumper said:
:facepalm:
Bass ackwards said:I don't know if building a house out of stove-length logs is really a good idea on a reserve...
I hear what you're saying, though.
Hell, they burn them down anyway...the southern type construction just burns easier...and faster. ...but, with the fire engine frozen up full of water they don't have anything to fight the fire except throw snowballs at it.
The natives used to be a proud, hardworking people. Some still are. The generational growth of us lying to them and giving them handouts because they demand it without accountability is doing them no favors.
It's gonna hurt when the tap get shut off.
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LineJumper said:
Allow me to explain my context. Throwing millions and millions of dollars at people/organizations with no accountability isn't fixing the problem.
I'm suggesting the current Indian act plays a big part in enabling this problem to grow and prosper. By abolishing the Indian Act Canada would be begin to stop the problem of a few individuals getting all the money and everyone else suffering, to put it bluntly.Treat Native Americans (Canadians) like Chinese Canadians, Italian Canadians, French Canadians, Hindu Canadians et el. Those groups manage to maintain their culture in Canada with out the equivalent of the indian act.
‘Unreasonable’ for government to send third-party manager to Attawapiskat: Federal Court
Terry Pedwell, The Canadian Press Aug 1, 2012
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OTTAWA — It was “unreasonable in all circumstances” for the federal government to appoint a third-party manager for the financially troubled First Nations community of Attawapiskat, the Federal Court ruled Wednesday.
But there was no political malice at play in the decision — on the part of either Prime Minister Stephen Harper or members of his cabinet — nor any intent to embarrass the northern Ontario reserve or its members, the court concluded.
The decision in November 2011 to send in Jacques Marion to take over the band’s finances was the wrong way to deal with the housing crisis on the northern Ontario reserve, the court said in its written ruling.
“The decision to appoint (Marion) did not respond in a reasonable way to the root of the problems at Attawapiskat nor to the remedies available,” the ruling said.
“The (government) invoked a financial management remedy without considering more reasonable, more responsive or less invasive remedies available.”
But the court took pains to point out that it found no evidence that Ottawa was playing politics with the community when Marion was appointed.
“Those allegations were largely withdrawn, and to the extent that they linger, the court finds that there is no evidence that the prime minister or the cabinet engaged in such reprehensible conduct,” the decision said.
“The problem in this case does not lie at the feet of the political masters but in the hands of the bureaucracy.”
The James Bay community of 2,000 declared a state of emergency in October 2011 after a severe housing shortage forced more than two dozen families to live in temporary shelters, some without insulation or plumbing.
The Conservative government appointed a third-party manager amid suggestions from Prime Minister Stephen Harper that the band had been mismanaging federal funds in the face of the housing crisis.
Marion was withdrawn in April, but the Attawapiskat First Nation refused to drop its lawsuit against the government.
The band said it wanted to proceed to get the courts to “refute” Harper’s suggestion that the band had been mismanaging federal money and to have Marion’s appointment declared unlawful.
When Marion was pulled, government officials insisted it was due to the fact the band had done a good job in improving the health and safety conditions that had required the outside control in the first place.
They said the 25 families affected by the housing crisis were now living in better conditions.
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Terry Pedwell, The Canadian Press Aug 1, 2012
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OTTAWA — It was “unreasonable in all circumstances” for the federal government to appoint a third-party manager for the financially troubled First Nations community of Attawapiskat, the Federal Court ruled Wednesday.
But there was no political malice at play in the decision — on the part of either Prime Minister Stephen Harper or members of his cabinet — nor any intent to embarrass the northern Ontario reserve or its members, the court concluded.
The decision in November 2011 to send in Jacques Marion to take over the band’s finances was the wrong way to deal with the housing crisis on the northern Ontario reserve, the court said in its written ruling.
“The decision to appoint (Marion) did not respond in a reasonable way to the root of the problems at Attawapiskat nor to the remedies available,” the ruling said.
“The (government) invoked a financial management remedy without considering more reasonable, more responsive or less invasive remedies available.”
But the court took pains to point out that it found no evidence that Ottawa was playing politics with the community when Marion was appointed.
“Those allegations were largely withdrawn, and to the extent that they linger, the court finds that there is no evidence that the prime minister or the cabinet engaged in such reprehensible conduct,” the decision said.
“The problem in this case does not lie at the feet of the political masters but in the hands of the bureaucracy.”
The James Bay community of 2,000 declared a state of emergency in October 2011 after a severe housing shortage forced more than two dozen families to live in temporary shelters, some without insulation or plumbing.
The Conservative government appointed a third-party manager amid suggestions from Prime Minister Stephen Harper that the band had been mismanaging federal funds in the face of the housing crisis.
Marion was withdrawn in April, but the Attawapiskat First Nation refused to drop its lawsuit against the government.
The band said it wanted to proceed to get the courts to “refute” Harper’s suggestion that the band had been mismanaging federal money and to have Marion’s appointment declared unlawful.
When Marion was pulled, government officials insisted it was due to the fact the band had done a good job in improving the health and safety conditions that had required the outside control in the first place.
They said the 25 families affected by the housing crisis were now living in better conditions.
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I read the same story in the National Post, and the comments section has lit up like a pinball machine, with an almost universal negative reaction to the ruling.
The fact that this ruling effectively whitewashes the issue of $90 million dollars being received by the band over the previous five years (which should have prevented the crisis many times over), and perpetuates a system lacking in accountability and suffering from corruption because of the lack of accountability. I personally would hope the Government tells the judge to get stuffed, or better still, uses the ruling to overhaul the system to insert accountability (i.e. you don't get government money unless we have a clean, audited set of books in our hands and can do spot checks to see where our money is going).
The fact that this ruling effectively whitewashes the issue of $90 million dollars being received by the band over the previous five years (which should have prevented the crisis many times over), and perpetuates a system lacking in accountability and suffering from corruption because of the lack of accountability. I personally would hope the Government tells the judge to get stuffed, or better still, uses the ruling to overhaul the system to insert accountability (i.e. you don't get government money unless we have a clean, audited set of books in our hands and can do spot checks to see where our money is going).
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For those wanting to know more of the story, attached find the judgement in question.
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A sensible solution. Oddly this was suggested by another Liberal decades ago (Jean Chreitien), but shot down pretty quickly. I would hope that the current government gives this due consideration, and maybe even is willing to expend the political capital needed to end the "Indian Industry".
http://www.danieldickin.ca/2012/10/its-time-to-abolish-indian-act.html
http://www.danieldickin.ca/2012/10/its-time-to-abolish-indian-act.html
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Pretty good blog post, actually.
The Indian Act and DAANDC is an embarrassment to a 21st century liberal democracy. Let's resolve treaty issues and get on with things.
Cutting this act (or severely curtailing it) and emptying this department would save the government 7.8 billion dollars a year. How's that for deficit action plan?
The Indian Act and DAANDC is an embarrassment to a 21st century liberal democracy. Let's resolve treaty issues and get on with things.
Cutting this act (or severely curtailing it) and emptying this department would save the government 7.8 billion dollars a year. How's that for deficit action plan?
So....like, you tell the reserves "the cheque is in the mail" ?
What about all the treaties, agreements, et al. Are they actually going to hold the reserves financially accountable? Treat them like muncipalities?
It is certainly doable, just wondering if we are not going to created one boondoggle out the other boondoggle....
What about all the treaties, agreements, et al. Are they actually going to hold the reserves financially accountable? Treat them like muncipalities?
It is certainly doable, just wondering if we are not going to created one boondoggle out the other boondoggle....
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Reading the comments section in the National Post below the article, I can say that very few people are being taken by this....
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/idle-no-more-hunger-striking-attawapiskat-chief-vows-to-die-for-her-people-as-aboriginal-protests-spread/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/idle-no-more-hunger-striking-attawapiskat-chief-vows-to-die-for-her-people-as-aboriginal-protests-spread/
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It's about time the taxpayers found out where their money was going.
It'll probably be a big eye opener to most band members also. :
Hmmm. I didn't get a Facebook invite :dunno:
It'll probably be a big eye opener to most band members also. :
Hmmm. I didn't get a Facebook invite :dunno:
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Hmm.....my "army bed" is like a yoga mat -- non-inflatable -- only olive drab. Probably not as posh as she's hoping for.
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Seriously, a part of In Flanders Fields too? :facepalm:
Judging by her double-chin in the picture, she hasn't done any hunger strike workup training...
Judging by her double-chin in the picture, she hasn't done any hunger strike workup training...
