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hey i was just wondering if anyone wants to tell some storys or experiences with foreign weapons that they have had.
foreign weapons
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JerryThunder,
As a soldier being deployed you will most likely be trained on foreign weapons - you never know when you might have to use one, so we as professional soldiers are taught to do be able to handle them competently.
As an example, we dealt with foreign weapons frequently on quiet Peace-Support Operations - here is some junk we took off the locals overseas during Cordon and Search Operations and working with local police forces.
As a soldier being deployed you will most likely be trained on foreign weapons - you never know when you might have to use one, so we as professional soldiers are taught to do be able to handle them competently.
As an example, we dealt with foreign weapons frequently on quiet Peace-Support Operations - here is some junk we took off the locals overseas during Cordon and Search Operations and working with local police forces.
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i see allot of ak-47 type weapons. i know that they are very reliable in combat and can challenge the mighty m-16 ensemble but why do militants ever use some more graceful weapons like the G3A3 or the G36C or an AUG or even the FAMAS?
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jerrythunder said:
Expensive. They don't have defence contracts and deals with foreign corporations, so they don't have access to "graceful" weapons.
Hard to maintain. You can't give a complex Western assault rifle (like the C-7) to an untrained lout and expect it to hold up. Old Soviet weapons are simple but don't give you the performance of a "graceful" weapon. Consider it a trade-off.
Most of the weapons posted above were stuff people in the Army took home when the war in Yugo suddenly came to an end. They didn't demobilize properly; people just kind of went back to their houses when NATO showed up.
Duke said:
No, you're right Duke - in the Balkans, guys were using anything they could get their mitts on. There was a wrecked T-34 outside of one town and I remember seizing an old MP-40 with German markings on it. One old fellow told me that he still had his rifle that he shot Germans with when he was a Partisan in the 1940's.
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yes yes i know that,
but you would think that SOMEONE would have one or two....
but you would think that SOMEONE would have one or two....
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jerrythunder said:
The former USSR used to hand out their wpns like speeding tickets on the Kingsway to any cause where there was a fledgling chance for communism to develop. There has been a variety of wpns from the FRY, you name it, and they'll have had it. Many sympathisers throughout the world, and weapons from everywhere turning up, old and new, and in all calibres.
In the pics above there seems to be an abundant qty of SARAC 53's (Yugo copy of a MG42) or maybe even original fair dinkum German MG42's.
RPD's in 7.62 X 39mm too.
The AKs are a variery of Russian, Chi-Com, Yugo, Hungarian (there is an AMD 65 in that pile), and who knows what else. Some SKS's both of Yugo and other Com Bloc origin, plus the PPSHs, etc. Interesting pics.
The Mauser rifles are most likely Yugo made, but I am sure there is alot of German Kar98ks still floating about, even now.
In various parts of the world there is heaps of com-bloc wpns, also heaps of US wpns, and UK wpns, etc. If there was a colonial presence in a certain country, say pre 1945, and many places post 1945, odds are you'll find their presence still within the borders of that country, especially in wpns, vehicles, language, building design, electricity voltage (110/240V etc) and even culturally in some ways. Examples, French weapons in Viet Nam, still. Japanese wpns, in PNG, and in Indonesia, still. UK weapons in the ME, India, and Africa, and Belguim made weapons in the Congo. US weapons throughout the Pacific and South America.
Small arms, drill, uniforms, and tactics (however outdated) will be found throughout the 3rd world, and their former colonial leaders and or sponsers.
Cheers,
Wes
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Da_man said:
One should be able to obtain an original German MG42 (or MG34 or MP40 etc) from many reputable places in Canada, nicely deactivated cosmetically, with some moving parts, etc. As long as its a permanant conversion, one does not even need a FAC or licence to obtain (depending on where you live, but out in Sask/Man/Alta, no problems in owning a de-activated MG).
Cheers,
Wes
PS - Expect to pay from $600-$1200 or more for one though.
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The details are a little hazy, but it is possible to have the weapons shipped back to Canada deactivated, as long as it is to a museum, most likely you would have to get in contact with the curator of the museum, who would pay for the proceedure. Has to be a real museum too, your JR's mess is not a real museum. I've seen it done, with the full endorsement of the chain of command.
Of course, with amatures like Infanteer running the show, all the weapons probably ended up in the furnace
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Of course, with amatures like Infanteer running the show, all the weapons probably ended up in the furnace
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I don't think one would have a snowballs chance in hell even getting a bayonet home in this over PC world we live in.
Any smuggling of even a de-activaed wpn will land you into a dirty great big giant pot of boiling oil. I'd stay clear of anything contraband, as much as I'd like a token of an O/S tour.
Stay clean, and learn from the mistakes of others who got caught.
Cheers,
Wes
Any smuggling of even a de-activaed wpn will land you into a dirty great big giant pot of boiling oil. I'd stay clear of anything contraband, as much as I'd like a token of an O/S tour.
Stay clean, and learn from the mistakes of others who got caught.
Cheers,
Wes
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Sorry Wes, I think you misunderstood me. None of the stuff I mentioned is illegal as far as I know, and this was all done in the open, with the proper paperwork and all. The weapons, once deactivated, do serve a legitimate purpose, and as I mentioned our chain of command was quite partial to the idea. In fact our OC had used his authority to greatly expedite the proccess. The Kalashnikov in question, one of many, now reside in a muesem above a plaque crediting our platoon with its capture and subsequent donation. I was just mentioning that Infanteer may or may not have been aware of the opportunity, because it does exist.
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one of our officers in Kabul bought some weapons on Chicken St. and had the paper work ect done to ship them over to Canada to be deactivated and put in the base museum.
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Sadly, as I was not directly involved in the process, I can provide no more useful advice other than that its possible, and that it must go to a goverment endorsed/accredited muesem (we had high hopes of dividing up the haul amongst us and allotting a few weapons for each mess, but it was not to be). You will have to ask your CoC and hope that they like the idea and are willing to back you in the endeavour.
Maybe one of the old-timers here can shed more light on the issue?
Maybe one of the old-timers here can shed more light on the issue?
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DCDS Directive on Deployed Ops provides direction on the return of foreign weapons and ammo from operations. If you ever have to worry about it, go look there. Most museums that have firearm displays are licenced to hold the weapons in a non-deactivated state. The returned weapons may also go into CF stores to help with the training Infanteer mentioned in his first post.
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could anyone out there tell me how the G36C handles please?
