Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Fishbone Jones]

You have to look at where the strawpoll is from. I highly doubt there's many people supportive of Justin Trudeau reading content on TheLine.

More accurately the strawpolls on major media outlets are telling, especially when they get shut down because it doesn't give them the answer they want...

Except that poll is available on all social media. Until it gets noticed by his nibs. Then Mr Chan will start working his magic as the guy that controls Canadian content on FarceBook for the liberals.

 

[Remius]

How about an actual centrist LPC with competent and less-divisive leadership? One with a little more transparency, that can protect the national interest and balance the interests of the majority of Canadians, regardless of whether those voters vote LPC or not? One that doesn't cater to certain extremes, while polarizing and denouncing others?

I think it would be the best outcome for the largest number of Canadians. And that's what's most important. It doesn't require an overhaul of the system. It requires an overhaul of the current LPC leadership.

Is that more reasonable?

I would actually welcome a more centrist LPC.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Stand down, troops, just in case you had any inclination to stand up

Trudeau rules out negotiating with protesters, says military deployment 'not in the cards'​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-protest-1.6335086?ref=mobilerss&cmp=newsletter_CBC%20News%20Top%20Headlines%20%20%E2%80%93%20Evening_1617_410750

Except he never tells the truth.

 

[Remius]

You kind of hit the nail on the head here, but not in the way you might have been intending.

Our system only works when everybody feels like they are part of the system. When the winning side goes out of it's way to rub it's win in the face of the losing side, and intentionally excludes them, the system starts to break down. We are looking at a system that is being stressed by a PM who has forgotten that he is PM, and not just the leader of the LPC.

We don't need another election, or anything that extreme, we need a leader that understands he's supposed to be a leader for even the people that didn't vote for him.

Stephen Harper did exactly that and lost to Trudeau as a result.

 

[dapaterson]

Generally, Canadian political leaders hit a best before date and get turfed. For example, Mulroney left a flaming dumpster fire that resulted in a political party that could have caucus meetings in a Cooper Mini with room for staff.

My impression is that Harper lost - not "Harper lost to Trudeau", but Harper lost. An intelligent opposition party would provide an alternative, and try to build their tent, not build memes. If a party can be pouring fistfuls of dollars out the door and not make any progress from one minority to another, they should be the ones firing their leader, not the leader who held ground in their first election.

A "One and done" leadership is not a way to build a strong party that will have a chance at getting elected. That sort of behaviour by the LPC did, however, benefit... the Harper Conservatives.

 

[Altair]

Generally, Canadian political leaders hit a best before date and get turfed. For example, Mulroney left a flaming dumpster fire that resulted in a political party that cold have caucus meetings in a Cooper Mini with room for staff.

My impression is that Harper lost - not "Harper lost to Trudeau", but Harper lost. An intelligent opposition party would provide an alternative, and try to build their tent, not build memes. If a party can be pouring fistfuls of dollars out the door and not make any progress from one minority to another, they should be the ones firing their leader, not the leader who held ground in their first election.

A "One and done" leadership is not a way to build a strong party that will have a chance at getting elected. That sort of behaviour by the LPC did, however, benefit... the Harper Conservatives.

And the NDP who had Jack Layton stick around long enough for everyone to get reasonably comfortable with him as opposed to the revolving door of LPC leaders.

In a world where Jack Layton lived and Justin Trudeau decided not to run the LPC probably would have followed this pattern to their political grave

 

[Quirky]

Is it flawed if it works in your favor ?

We need to just split canada and get it all over with.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Generally, Canadian political leaders hit a best before date and get turfed. For example, Mulroney left a flaming dumpster fire that resulted in a political party that could have caucus meetings in a Cooper Mini with room for staff.

Mini Cooper

 

[RangerRay]

You have to look at where the strawpoll is from. I highly doubt there's many people supportive of Justin Trudeau reading content on TheLine.

Not to be confused with The Line here:

The Line | Line Editor | Substack

Commentary for Canadians. Click to read The Line, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.

theline.substack.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Not to be confused with The Line here:

The Line | Line Editor | Substack

Commentary for Canadians. Click to read The Line, a Substack publication with tens of thousands of subscribers.

theline.substack.com

Like I said, when I signed it, it was on FB. I paid zero attention to who put it up. It was a straight forward question, requiring a straight forward answer. It didn't matter who posted it or where it came from. As with most polls, I find them immaterial. I sign them because I get just a tiny bit of personal satisfaction, poking a finger in trudeau's virtual eye. It's a close as I can get to feeling I'm alone in an elevator with him on a 40 floor trip with no repercussions about his condition when we get to the top.

 

[Altair]

Like I said, when I signed it, it was on FB. I paid zero attention to who put it up. It was a straight forward question, requiring a straight forward answer. It didn't matter who posted it or where it came from. As with most polls, I find them immaterial. I sign them because I get just a tiny bit of personal satisfaction, poking a finger in trudeau's virtual eye. It's a close as I can get to feeling I'm alone in an elevator with him on a 40 floor trip with no repercussions about his condition when we get to the top.

I think we can find this a bit more immaterial than most.

Also, if immaterial, why post it here?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Looks like farmers are joining the seige.

Farmers coming to Parliament Hill to support trucker convoy over weekend

A Facebook group was created to organize the event, which will see a tractor convoy coming from Alexandria.

ottawa.citynews.ca

 

[Mills Bomb]

There seems to be a misconception in certain groups and media sources that this protest is "huge". I suspect pro-convoy news sources are trying to hype this thing up like it's some massive event with more support than it actually has. It's definitely intimidating local residents but it's not solely because of the numbers of people attending but just because of all the big trucks, honking, harassment, and other vehicles. But if there were no trucks and these protestors were on foot, this really wouldn't be all that big of a protest.

I've witnessed a lot of protests in this city, this protest is definitely the longest, loudest, and the most dynamic, HOWEVER, it is a not the largest in terms of numbers and it's not even close. The city thinks we had about 10,000 people at the peak of it last weekend. It's possible it was a bit more than that, but if so not by much. This estimate is consistent with photos of the event from the air and in comparison to other events I've seen and the numbers reported from them (That I believe are fairly accurate).

A few examples of substantially larger protests and events;

The 2005 anti-Bush protest was MANY times larger than this one. It's really not even remotely comparable and it would dwarf this protest by many times over. To think this protest is comparable to a really big protest like that is honestly laughable.

The 2021 George Floyd protest in Ottawa brought about 20,000 people, so that was about double the size of this one in terms of people who made an effort to actually physically attend.

A typical Ottawa "Capital Pride" event also a little bigger in numbers. It should go without saying that a typical Canada Day event is also many times larger in terms of attendance.

A Sens game (Stadium capacity is around 19,000) or literally any large sports event or music festival. Justin Bieber has single handedly brought more people to Ottawa than the entire convoy.

Hope that puts things a bit more into perspective for anyone who may be wondering how this stacks up.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

"Powerful speech on the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms by Brian Peckford, the last surviving member who helped write it back in 1981."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1489065773788188676

Not sure if his snowflake analogy was intentional or not

 

[QV]

the PPC got 840 000 votes.

If 840 000 people were locking down ottawa, make no mistake, it would still be a fringe minority.

There seems to be a misconception in certain groups and media sources that this protest is "huge". I suspect pro-convoy news sources are trying to hype this thing up like it's some massive event with more support than it actually has. It's definitely intimidating local residents but it's not solely because of the numbers of people attending but just because of all the big trucks, honking, harassment, and other vehicles. But if there were no trucks and these protestors were on foot, this really wouldn't be all that big of a protest.

I've witnessed a lot of protests in this city, this protest is definitely the longest, loudest, and the most dynamic, HOWEVER, it is a not the largest in terms of numbers and it's not even close. The city thinks we had about 10,000 people at the peak of it last weekend. It's possible it was a bit more than that, but if so not by much. This estimate is consistent with photos of the event from the air and in comparison to other events I've seen and the numbers reported from them (That I believe are fairly accurate).

A few examples of substantially larger protests and events;

The 2005 anti-Bush protest was MANY times larger than this one. It's really not even remotely comparable and it would dwarf this protest by many times over. To think this protest is comparable to a really big protest like that is honestly laughable.

The 2021 George Floyd protest in Ottawa brought about 20,000 people, so that was about double the size of this one in terms of people who made an effort to actually physically attend.

A typical Ottawa "Capital Pride" event also a little bigger in numbers. It should go without saying that a typical Canada Day event is also many times larger in terms of attendance.

A Sens game (Stadium capacity is around 19,000) or literally any large sports event or music festival. Justin Bieber has single handedly brought more people to Ottawa than the entire "Freedom Convoy".

Hope that puts things a bit more into perspective for anyone who may be wondering how this stacks up.

Huge meaning it’s gone cross country and international. That it involves normal everyday blue collar people and not your usual semi-pro protestors. That in days it raised over 10M in donations and has received commentary from famous people round the world. All this with the MSM not being honest in their reporting.

Not bad for a fringe minority of deplorables.

 

[dapaterson]

Justin Bieber has single handedly brought more people to Ottawa than the entire convoy.

Yeah, but after one night, two tops, Justin leaves town.

 

[QV]

I'm not sure how this is different view. People have been hounding the police to 'solve' this protest, and the Chief has expressed the view that there may not be a law enforcement solution.

You were suggesting in light of all the minor infractions, the police weren’t trying hard enough for not moving in and dismantling the protest.

This guy states the police may ignore minor offences to allow the freedom of expression and peaceful assembly.

 

[QV]

We need to just split canada and get it all over with.

 

[Good2Golf]

There seems to be a misconception in certain groups and media sources that this protest is "huge". I suspect pro-convoy news sources are trying to hype this thing up like it's some massive event with more support than it actually has. It's definitely intimidating local residents but it's not solely because of the numbers of people attending but just because of all the big trucks, honking, harassment, and other vehicles. But if there were no trucks and these protestors were on foot, this really wouldn't be all that big of a protest.

I've witnessed a lot of protests in this city, this protest is definitely the longest, loudest, and the most dynamic, HOWEVER, it is a not the largest in terms of numbers and it's not even close. The city thinks we had about 10,000 people at the peak of it last weekend. It's possible it was a bit more than that, but if so not by much. This estimate is consistent with photos of the event from the air and in comparison to other events I've seen and the numbers reported from them (That I believe are fairly accurate).

A few examples of substantially larger protests and events;

The 2005 anti-Bush protest was MANY times larger than this one. It's really not even remotely comparable and it would dwarf this protest by many times over. To think this protest is comparable to a really big protest like that is honestly laughable.

The 2021 George Floyd protest in Ottawa brought about 20,000 people, so that was about double the size of this one in terms of people who made an effort to actually physically attend.

A typical Ottawa "Capital Pride" event also a little bigger in numbers. It should go without saying that a typical Canada Day event is also many times larger in terms of attendance.

A Sens game (Stadium capacity is around 19,000) or literally any large sports event or music festival. Justin Bieber has single handedly brought more people to Ottawa than the entire convoy.

Hope that puts things a bit more into perspective for anyone who may be wondering how this stacks up.

How many had the Chief of Police saying he wasn’t ruling out calling in the Army to clear them out?

 

[Mills Bomb]

How many had the Chief of Police saying he wasn’t ruling out calling in the Army to clear them out?

None. As previously mentioned, this is the most dynamic protest and the first to involve large numbers of vehicles which I suspect is why they are reporting problems dealing with it.

As for actual attendants? Less than a Sens game. Nowhere near music or sports events. A total bust in comparison to the number of attendants the organizers were claiming last week. Not sure how I could be more honest in terms of comparisons or numbers.